Popped in to see Dave in Bike Tech today. Although it's an Enduro/MX/Trials shop, he has some new Kymco scooters in there at a bargain price (especially compared to the Japanese stuff). They're doing a 50cc scooter with an insurance deal, and a CBT arranged with us, at a knock-down price. Also, Gas Gas road legal/learner legal Trial/Enduro style 125's. I thought the Gas Gas was pretty cool, and would be a different sort of 125 for your 17 year old to look at. He's got loads of Off-Road kit too, so worth a look all you Green-Laners...