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I parked In the Mumbles Pier car park, Swansea yesterday and went to get a ticket from the only machine.
The digital display said 'not in use'.
Fair enough I thought, free parking. Went for a walk and came back to a ticket as did several of the other drivers parked there.
I checked the machine which was now miraculously working.
Do I have a leg to stand on or is it just my word against theirs?
Could have filmed if with phone should be a few outhers complaning at same time you got a joint case against machine should film area too as to show no parking attandant to watch the cars for you which is what your also paying for.
Could try there was no phone number to call for help failing that fit a alarm on them so they bleep when you push a button so you can find them ;)
Your word against theirs is enough (unless you a are a world famous fraudster) if you refuse to pay the ticket it should go to an "independent" tribunal, whether these are actually very independent or not is open to debate but they do have to take and consider evidence in the same way a court would which means the balance is often in your favour if the council can't prove the machine was working. If others were caught to this adds to your case (if you can contact these others it would strongly help as you could all back each other up).
Most equipment works on a digital basis these days. Surely if you were dispute the ticket the council would have to prove that the machine was working. If the machine wasn't working when you arrived, it would have a digital fingerprint or report held within the machine "history" which would have produced a failure report. You would probably be able to demand sight of the report to prove your case. Go for it fella.
Have a look here http://www.nomoreparkingtickets.com/
More info here halfway down the page http://www.yourstrawman.com/
I would write to the people concerned and as mentioned above the machine should have a record of when it was/was not working. Also, If you do it now there would be more people complaining which strengthens your case. Dont give in to these thieving bastards.
Was it a private or council job, Im guessing council if it has a metre
Sorry to hear about your parking ticket! :(
If the T's & C's state that if the machine(s) are not working you are not permitted to park, then you are stuffed (probably). If you have a witness , photo, or other evidence to support your claim that the one and only machine was not working , you should go for it! If you do not have witnesses ( known to you), you might want to ask the council for details of other persons so fined at or about the time you were fined, or you may have to threaten to pursue an order for 'discovery' of such information if the council refuses to give that information to you. Good luck, mate ! Richard
Thats some sound advice... And if it gets to the recovery stage, try this...Quote:
Originally Posted by Vulcanboy
http://www.dealingwithbailiffs.co.uk...ng-tickets.php
Slightly off topic but I recently had a speeding fine handed to Bailiffs from 2007 (I completely forgot about because I had moved) that the Magistrates charged the Bailiffs to recover... which they tried to with horrendous recovery fees... Cut a long story short - I used the advice on this website, paid the fine online... Called the bailiff and informed him I had no contract with their company, only the Magistrates which has now been paid... after trying to bully me and insisting I owe them, I explained to him that no court in the land can enforce your fees - only the outstanding fine, no more no less. After a bit of stuttering on his part he accepted this. They sent me a letter trying to recover their fees threatening locksmiths, I called them up... Again said no contract, if I have anymore harassment I'll see you in court. I think they got bored and went and bullied some poor single mother who knows know better. These bastards work off your fear. I have heard nothing since.
Cheers everyone. That's been very helpful. It would seem that it's a bloody minefield!
It's really sad tho that they WILL bully someone else more vulnerable, play off of their fear and they may not have anyone to turn to ...Quote:
Originally Posted by Stuntsunlimited
Agreed, but there are good people out there that are willing to share this info... Thanks to the internet this info is readily available. It may go against peoples judgement to go against what these bullies are saying/demanding, it's just about holding your nerve and knowing - not relying on rumours (oh they can force entry you know) my dad thought I was was nuts not paying it telling me they can come in and take my stuff, my car, my bike to recover the debt.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nokesy
Now they want to censor the internet - saying there's to much porn... Yeah really? Whys that I wonder or is it an excuse? I reckon there's a darker initiative at work here.
If it is porn they want to censor, they will have to pry it from my cold dead hand - I mean warm oily hand haha
Bike or car? I'm guessing car but some pay & display allow free parking for bikes. If car they have to prove it was working before you turned up, hardest part you have is proving when you arrived. Either way they expect you to roll over and pay but you should fight it!
It was the girlfriends car. She's dealing with it herself now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan505
I've noticed a lot of car parks now have signs (small print naturally) saying that they are unsuitable for motorcycles.
I know of 2 in Bath.
Park in them and you will get a ticket. 😕
Dicks, thankfully Swindon still offers free parking for bikes