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Have people forgotten how to use their indicators!
Have to have a rant here. Am sick to death of people on the motorways changing lanes by just drifting across and not indicating. Its a silly habit to get into and when the biking season starts we will all need to be that much more alert!
Damn F**&&^^^ MORONS!
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+1 ! It's definitely on the increase. I notice it a lot on my daily commute these days.
Bastids! >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
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The 2 roundabouts by Sainsburys in Chippenham are the worst closely followed by the mini roundabout at Hathaway.
I remonstrated (shouted at) a woman for this once and she told me, with a straight face, "you don't need to indicate when turning right" :o
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I hate the arseholes that sit in the middle lane of,the motorway >:(
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Originally Posted by Swanny
I hate the arseholes that sit in the middle lane of,the motorway >:(
Agree with you Swanny on the CLODS. Indicators ::) not inidcating or the last minute indicators.
While driving or riding I've started using the 2 second rule...
When a vehicle passes a stationary object if you can't count too 2 before you pass the same object then your too close.
"Only a fool breaks the 2 second rule" takes about 2 seconds to say the phrase. Don't believe me try it :P
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There are also those who think that on a motorway/duel carriageway that think it is their god given right to indicate and then pull out without ever looking one to see what is outside them. I've had many occasions where I've had to brake sharply whilst some fool tries to drive into the side of me!
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'duel' indeed. Should read dual. It's just what it feels like sometimes - a duel!
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Just to put the cat among the pidgeons, indication is only necessary when there are other vehicles around, within close enough proximity to be affected by actionds if you don't.
You're assuming the driver has seen you. I always indicate when there is traffic around me, but not on empty roads, or when cars are far behind/in front. I also see enough biker twats on the motorway weaving in and out of the quicker 2 lanes to 'make progress' without indicating (or even shoulder checking most times!), and in fact riding a hell of a lot more dangerously than the average driver is driving!
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...and if no other vehicles (and their drivers) are around, nobody will be there to observe them not indicating their intentions to perform a manoeuvre, so the point of this post is what exactly? :-?
Now you're an ex-biker SF, you can sit with the car drivers on the other side of the fence and snipe at bikers' antics can't you?
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This is becoming common place and most roads.
It is frustrating because as a relatively inexperienced rider, compared to some on the forum, you are always expecting the worst. I now look for the swerve to the left before the one flash indication.
I had to resort to the good old fashioned horn in the car the other day because a rather ignorant Range Rover driver couldn't move his ham arms round the steering wheel, he was not pleased when I blasted the horn to remind him that there are other road users not just him in his Chelsea tractor.
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When on the bike I try and avoid motorways whenever possible, simply because I become bored stiff. On the rare occasions when I do use them, however, I always ride presuming that every road user in front of me will switch lanes without warning.
I find giving early indication, a wide berth and maximising the bike’s acceleration to make decisive overtaking manoeuvres helps to stay alive.
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Originally Posted by Squashed_Fly
Just to put the cat among the pidgeons PIGEONS, indication is only necessary when there are other vehicles around, within close enough proximity to be affected by actionds ACTIONS if you don't.
You're assuming the driver has seen you. I always indicate when there is traffic around me, but not on empty roads, or when cars are far behind/in front. I also see enough biker twats on the motorway weaving in and out of the quicker 2 lanes to 'make progress' without indicating (or even shoulder checking most times!), and in fact riding a hell of a lot more dangerously than the average driver is driving!
Never assume the Driver has seen you. As for "biker twats" A typical reaction from a car driver ::)
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I always ensure I use the indicators, be it using the car or bike, empty roads or not. Best to be in the habit rather than not as you never know when something might happen.
I usually ride/drive defensively by keeping an eye on others as you never know what they are going to do. NEVER assume they will do what they are meant to do.
Before anyone gets on their high horses, I am not perfect, I do make mistakes and I am only human.
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Originally Posted by Conehead
I always ensure I use the indicators, be it using the car or bike, empty roads or not. Best to be in the habit rather than not as you never know when something might happen.
I usually ride/drive defensively by keeping an eye on others as you never know what they are going to do. NEVER assume they will do what they are meant to do.
Before anyone gets on their high horses, I am not perfect, I do make mistakes and I am only human.
Quite agree
Im the same....I try to use indicators whether there is anyone around or not....what difference does it make anyway if no-ones about ?? Its hardly a waste of energy is it...I mean is it sooo hard to flick that little sticky out thing that operates the indicators ?? For me, checking the mirror to see if anyone will be affected by my non indication requires much more thought than a carrying out an operation I am in the habit of doing anyway.
To me an indication of intention is always worth it just in case I didnt notice a speedy bike or car that has appeared behind me.
;D ;D ;D
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Another point I shall make regarding motorway driving
A chap I used to work with told me about a crash that he was witness to on the M4 quite a while back.
A person was in the outside lane and was moving into the middle lane without indicating.....another person was coming out of the inside lane to overtake at the same sort of time......they hit each other cos the outside lane driver had not indicated so inside lane driver pulled out as the lane was clear and they both collided.
Please dont throw a load of accusations about who was right and wrong n stuff cos I dont know the answers........all I know is the story made me start indicating when changing lanes AFTER overtaking (instead of just drifting across, which I used to do) as well as before overtaking too.
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Non indication is my biggest hate on the roads, I've often wondered whether to ask Mark Able whether they have stopped teaching new drivers to indicate! The trouble is you end up trying to guess what the driver is going to do and this can end up in some very nasty accidents! I spend half my time shouting to other drivers, INDICATE!!! >:( >:(
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Originally Posted by rosie
I spend half my time shouting to other drivers, INDICATE!!! >:( >:(
.. Can't hear you with your helmet on Rosie !!!!! ;) ;) ;) :)
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If you put too many animals from any species in to too small a confined space they will end up fighting with each other.
Humans are no different in that regard – our roads are too congested and over capacitated. I had never heard of the term road-rage when I started out as a road-user in the mid 70s, but now I witness it on a daily basis.
IMHO we will reach such a level of saturation on our roads that we will be faced with two choices. Either do nothing allowing the status quo of a gridlocked roads network to remain, or encourage more public transport use by making it a more affordable alternative.
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Originally Posted by Squashed_Fly
Just to put the cat among the pidgeons, indication is only necessary when there are other vehicles around, within close enough proximity to be affected by actionds if you don't.
And what about pedestrians or cyclists that you might not have seen?
It's not just other cars and bikes. You should ALWAYS indicate.
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It's just laziness not to indicate
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Lol, I thought it would be too diffcult for some people to comprehend it's possible to be a biker and a driver. And yes, just as many bikers behave like dicks on the road as drivers do.
And I'm sure you are all perfect when you do both?
I've never "sat on the side of the drivers". There is no side. But do I operate more than one type of vehicle? Yes. Do I spend a disproportionate amount of time to most people on the road? Yes
So I'm not really sure what Scotty's post is about, other than his usual, 'I don't actually have a point to to make so I'll slag someone off instead' type of post.
If you refer back to the highway code, there are no specific rules about when you should or should not indicate, just that when it is of use to other road users. That is subjective to what you [think you] know about what is going on around you, and what you can see.
If you are unobservant, and haven't seen a car in your mirrors (or a bike), you don't need to indicate. However, and this the clincher, if your lack of observancy (and thus indication) was the contributing factor in an accident, then you could be prosecuted for driving without due care and attention. But not specifically for lack of indicator use.
That said, I do tend to use mine more often than not, not for any other reason than it's a habit when I'm turning. But if I'm crossing lanes on a motorway, and I can't see anyone close enough to me to be affected by my actions, then usually I wouldn't bother.
As for car drivers vs bike riders, get off your high horse and stop pretending you are a higher being. We're all human, and we all sometimes make mistakes. If you drive like a twat or ride like one deliberately, then you're a twat. If you make a mistake when generally trying to be cautious, you are human. And it is acceptable.
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Originally Posted by dan_geoghegan
[quote author=Squashed_Fly link=1361444348/8#8 date=1361550676]Just to put the cat among the pidgeons, indication is only necessary when there are other vehicles around, within close enough proximity to be affected by actionds if you don't.
And what about pedestrians or cyclists that you might not have seen?
It's not just other cars and bikes. You should ALWAYS indicate.[/quote]
Just to clarify, I did mean from a highway code perspective, not my own opinion. However on a long strech of open motorway, there tends not to be too many pedestrians and cyclists (and I believe that's what the post was referring to -not turning left from a road or roundabout)! ;)
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Originally Posted by monday21
If you put too many animals from any species in to too small a confined space they will end up fighting with each other.
Humans are no different in that regard – our roads are too congested and over capacitated. I had never heard of the term road-rage when I started out as a road-user in the mid 70s, but now I witness it on a daily basis.
IMHO we will reach such a level of saturation on our roads that we will be faced with two choices. Either do nothing allowing the status quo of a gridlocked roads network to remain, or encourage more public transport use by making it a more affordable alternative.
"To small a confined space"? Like this thread? Lol
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R1Rich,
I don't understand what you mean? Please explain.
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[quote author=Squashed_Fly link=1361444348/22#22 date=1361782553]If you are unobservant, and haven't seen a car in your mirrors (or a bike), you don't need to indicate. Personally, that's why I always indicate - its a good habit to have for the very reason you just outlined.
But if I'm crossing lanes on a motorway, and I can't see anyone close enough to me to be affected by my actions, then usually I wouldn't bother. I can't see why you would be changing lanes if there's no one around you? If you're moving out to overtake or moving back in after overtaking then surely there are others around who need to see an indication of your anticipated move across the lanes? /quote]
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Originally Posted by Squashed_Fly
If you are unobservant, and haven't seen a car in your mirrors (or a bike), you don't need to indicate. However, and this the clincher, if your lack of observancy (and thus indication) was the contributing factor in an accident, then you could be prosecuted for driving without due care and attention. But not specifically for lack of indicator use.
Exactly why the use of indicators is good practise & you are thought to use them when learning to drive/ride.....!
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Redken,
The confined space is this thread. As there has already been disagreements. That's all.
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Originally Posted by GixxerStu
[quote author=Squashed_Fly link=1361444348/22#22 date=1361782553]
If you are unobservant, and haven't seen a car in your mirrors (or a bike), you don't need to indicate. However, and this the clincher, if your lack of observancy (and thus indication) was the contributing factor in an accident, then you could be prosecuted for driving without due care and attention. But not specifically for lack of indicator use.
Exactly why the use of indicators is good practise & you are thought to use them when learning to drive/ride.....! [/quote]
I didn't say it wasn't good practice, or that I disagreed with it. Just highlighting the fact that according the highway code, they are only necessary to warn others of your actions.
If there is no-body in close enough proximity to be affected, by law (not by own opinion I'll say again for those that missed that in all my other posts!!!), you are not required to use them.
If you choose not to, and there is an accident, then you have to hope it wasn't because lack of observation, and/or that you missed something.
It doesn't hurt to be reminded every now and then what the law requires of you, as opposed to what we might call good practice and socially accepted good habits....
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ps, if you can find me where it says in the highway code that you MUST use your indicators at EVERY change of direction, I'll happily retract and delete all my posts....
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Originally Posted by Richzx10r
Redken,
The confined space is this thread. As there has already been disagreements. That's all.
Obvious now, I thought you meant you liked this thread - sorry, I'm getting slow in my old age Rich. :-[
Brill ;D ;D ;D
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Originally Posted by Squashed_Fly
[quote author=GixxerStu link=1361444348/28#28 date=1361787032][quote author=Squashed_Fly link=1361444348/22#22 date=1361782553]
If you are unobservant, and haven't seen a car in your mirrors (or a bike), you don't need to indicate. However, and this the clincher, if your lack of observancy (and thus indication) was the contributing factor in an accident, then you could be prosecuted for driving without due care and attention. But not specifically for lack of indicator use.
Exactly why the use of indicators is good practise & you are thought to use them when learning to drive/ride.....! [/quote]
I didn't say it wasn't good practice, or that I disagreed with it. Just highlighting the fact that according the highway code, they are only necessary to warn others of your actions.
If there is no-body in close enough proximity to be affected, by law (not by own opinion I'll say again for those that missed that in all my other posts!!!), you are not required to use them.
If you choose not to, and there is an accident, then you have to hope it wasn't because lack of observation, and/or that you missed something.
It doesn't hurt to be reminded every now and then what the law requires of you, as opposed to what we might call good practice and socially accepted good habits....[/quote]
Can you let us know where in the Highway Code it states that its OK not to indicate when you think there are no other road users in close proximity to you? The Highway Code tells you when you should use them, it states nothing at all about when its OK not to. I think you're making a personal assumption in that regard and I don't think therefore the actual law would back you up on that as there is'nt a law on not indicating. Unless you can let us know which law you're referring to of course....
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If an indicator is used but no-one is there to see it, will it flash? - Ancient Swindon Proverb ;D
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Originally Posted by Squashed_Fly
As for car drivers vs bike riders........ We're all human, and we all sometimes make mistakes. If you drive like a twat or ride like one deliberately, then you're a twat. If you make a mistake when generally trying to be cautious, you are human. And it is acceptable.
Well said :)
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Originally Posted by Nicky
[quote author=Squashed_Fly link=1361444348/22#22 date=1361782553]
As for car drivers vs bike riders........ We're all human, and we all sometimes make mistakes. If you drive like a twat or ride like one deliberately, then you're a twat. If you make a mistake when generally trying to be cautious, you are human. And it is acceptable.
Well said :)
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And you can also buy a Twat Suit at any BMW motorcycle dealer today....... ;D ;D
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Im sorry but no matter what the Highway code says if you dont use your indicators in my eyes your a TWAT!
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Originally Posted by nico_stew
Im sorry but no matter what the Highway code says if you dont use your indicators in my eyes your a TWAT!
;D +1
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Mways--one flash of indicator and your clear to pullout >:(
and Plod pulled me in once for not indicating when no other vehicles around....except plod who must've interupted another doughnut/coffee break to catch my car up ..........obvio they look and could be an 'indication' [gettit :D] of a pissed driver