Took my ali scrap in today for beer money. Rooney on 230 grand a week. Me thinks we need a revolution.
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Took my ali scrap in today for beer money. Rooney on 230 grand a week. Me thinks we need a revolution.
Good for Rooney. It don't matter wot job you do - If someone offerered you 230 grand a week you would not say No.
I am more concerned about the amount of benifit scroungers that are living good lives while some of us slave... >:(
ditto that [smiley=thumbsup.gif]Quote:
Originally Posted by SupeRDel
Too right, as a Bristol Rovers supporter i hate Man Ure - but they are a successful business (arguably the most successful FC in the world) and they want the best people; they therefore pay the best money for that. Rooney for all his faults, is very successful at United and they want to retain him for many reasons.Quote:
Originally Posted by SupeRDel
Redken, you'd have more money for beer, if you weren't paying for all the dole scroungers, oxygen wasters, resource parasites etc who live on the estate i live on and have absolutely no intention of working - why should they, you and i will pay! The benefits bill is greater than the revenues collected in income tax, thats you and i, and even Rooney paying for those who want to watch 'The Generally vile Show', rather than earn an honest days money!
I think we need a revolution too - one where only those who put something of substance into the system, are entitled to anything back.
State spending has, over the last decade, reached unsustainable proportions but, unfortunately, this Con/Lib lot are not reducing it quickly enough.
The fact is there is not enough employment available for the population so either unemployment increases, public sector employment increases with results that we can all see, or a concerted effort to encourage private sector to grow by way of tax breaks for high exports for example.
Simplification of Tax, Benefit , Judicial, Social systems would result in less cost to/of government. A reduced levy paid to the E.U. is. also, essential as our contributions are too high for little ,or zero, return.
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.........anyway see y'all at the barricades [smiley=thumbsup.gif]
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Originally Posted by SupeRDel
With you on that ... and a whole load of other things that I won't go into right now as its far too early and a day of rest after all ;) !
As a life long Man U fan I don't know how anyone can justify Rooney's salary. For the first time since the Seventies the Club never managed to sell all this year's season tickets and and owe a record £800 million of debt. For many working class fans like myself most premiership ticket prices are out of reach. Last Thursday Man City's stadium was only half-full for a top European match. You can bet that prices at OT will rise way above inflation rates next ytear to pay for Rooney's greed. Roy Keane was spot on with his comments about the Prawn sandwiches brigade.
Yep £850 billion of handouts...to the bankers. There will never be a revolution whilst people direct their anger at those who had no part in this economic downturn we are all suffering.Quote:
Originally Posted by SupeRDel
Here's another bunch of scrounging bastards http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ns-seabed.html gawd knows she needs the money!
Yep £850 billion of handouts...to the bankers. There will never be a revolution whilst people direct their anger at those who had no part in this economic downturn we are all suffering. [/quote]Quote:
Originally Posted by Mitch9128
Echo your sentiments Mitch. Perhaps we should look across the channel. No work till you drop for the French. More biker friendly than the UK too. Instead of waiting for the revolution I could move to France. lol
And while we're at it, why has overseas aid gone up? We give £297 million to India, a country with it's own nuclear arms program and a space program!
Dont forget to declare your additional income to the tax man.
Yep £850 billion of handouts...to the bankers. There will never be a revolution whilst people direct their anger at those who had no part in this economic downturn we are all suffering. [/quote]Quote:
Originally Posted by Mitch9128
Well said that man. Don't get me started on bankers... >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
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Same ol' same ol' from right wing tories and their pale red 'liberals. Last time we had these austerity measures was under Maggie - she raised unemployment to an unprecedented level and sold off our assets to pay the unemplyed. She doctored the unemployment figures no less than five times, moving people off the unemployed figure onto other benefits (disabled etc.) Now these people are attacked as scroungers
Of course we will always have the sick, lame or lazy brigade - and I object to paying for them too - but what they cost us each, pales into insignificance when measured against the lost revenue of people / companies that make their fortune here but evade paying the dues for their success.
Add to that the fat cat bankers on massive bonuses that have cost us billions - and it was they who created the problem in the first place, even though tories would like us to believe the problemis caused by the few lazyites living a life on the poverty line.
Of course the Tories Will raid the banks to recover the monies we gave them under Brown -but at the same time they are set to massively increase unemployment - that has to be paid for so my question is....
Without the family jewels left to sell, and without the massive income enjoyed by Maggie from North sea oil - How the hell is Cameron and crew going to pay for the masses of unemployment they are openly planning????
The continued vitriol against benefit claimants is more proof how our 'betters' rule by division.
I would agree that there are those who abuse the system and this must be curtailed, but are all those on state subsidies really worthy of a witch hunt?
What about the foreign aid debacle?
Am I the only one to notice that a 37% increase of current levels was announced at the same time as swingeing cuts to everything else?
We give millions to India every year, yet they still manage to have a nuclear programme and have just bought a small fleet of nuclear subs from the Russians and send their sailors to Russia for training courses. They have just managed to stage the Commonwealth Games and have a space programme!
We even give aid to China, for gawd's sake!
We give all this away every year, yet we still have pensioners dying of hypothermia each winter.
Well Said ThorKill - if we have pensioners unable to survive in our own system why the hell don't we deal with that first!! I know we have to be sensitive to the planet as a whole but surely charity begins at home. We abandoned our space program years ago - why should we pay for India's?
The Tories will always create high unemployment levels because it keeps wages low - not rocket science. Well said brothers - Come and Join the revolution. We could barricade the gates of the house of commons with our bikes. lol ;D
Vote for Hunar ;D
Yep £850 billion of handouts...to the bankers. There will never be a revolution whilst people direct their anger at those who had no part in this economic downturn we are all suffering. [/quote]Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark_Able
Well said that man. Don't get me started on bankers... >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:([/quote]
Agreed! >:( >:( >:(
VOTE KEVINB
Forced emergration for people I don't like.
This would mean jobs for the forces getting rid of them.
Less people would mean the NHS could cope, less people in our prisons. We wouldn't need to build more houses, hospitals or schools.
Remember free cat fur coats for the elderly and free cat curry as we wouldn't want to waste anything. ;D
Beer duty down. Petrol duty down.
I'm convinced the government is only increasing foreign aid, so we are all so busy complaining about the aid, that we ignore the fact that the banks only have to pay a teeny bank levy. Can't think of any other logical reason to give aid to countries with nuclear and space programs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Thorkill_The_Tall
It is not a witch-hunt against all benefit claimants - only those who have no desire to work, believe me there are plenty of them. We could stop paying those who can work and can't be arsed and give it to the pensioners - i like to see that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Thorkill_The_Tall
We need personal responsibility - round here people are openly claiming dole and working/dealing. They sit at home and watch knocked-off sky on you and I.
I've never been out of work in my life, and i know i live in an area where unemployment is lower than many parts of the country. Whether its been digging up for gaslines, working nights in warehouse or driving a taxi, ive just got on and done it. We have lost a culture of work ethic amongst some.
I agree with the issue of tax-havens, this kind of tax-avoidance is a joke.
Maybe people like me could opt never to be entitled to unemployment benefit and then not pay into it, and those of you who are keen on it could pay more. It would suit me!
The 'scroungers' haven't lost £40k off the value of my house for me, the bankers did. The scroungers are a drop in the ocean compared to the £850 billion the bankers have cost this country. Where is the work ethic in gambling with my money and future? One day we all may need benefits, why would any of us want to see them cut? Especially if you have worked all your life to be told there is nothing, due to the tories swathing cuts, i can't see any logic in this?
Yeah there has to/ought to be a 'social safety net' funded by tax to help those genuinely in need of help as very often circumstances beyond an individuals control can result in severe financial hardship.
Don't agree about the Royals though as I would rather them than some corrupt republic.
Surely nobody could dispute that H.M.Queen has not been unstinting in her duties and bear in mind much of their perceived wealth they are only custodians of. I reckon much would be sold off/given away if there was a republic headed by the likes of say Blair as few of these 'big noises' are truly loyal to their country.
I agree to some extent, what was Gordon Brown thinking? Glad i never voted for that shower.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mitch9128
It's gonna take the present coalition a long time to unpick the Blair/Brown mess.
I agree to some extent, what was Gordon Brown thinking? Glad i never voted for that shower.Quote:
Originally Posted by pilninggas
It's gonna take the present coalition, a long time to unpick the Blair/Brown mess.[/quote]
History will repeat itself. the coalition will sort out this countries problems only to be ousted by morons in either 4 or 8 years time who will put Labour back in power and put us back in debt.
Custodians?? She's the richest woman in the world in her own right, nothing to do with crown property. Why should she reap £30 odd million a year from windfarm rates??? She heads the biggest bunch of scroungers in the land.Quote:
Originally Posted by Col
The poverty trap that still exists today is a legacy from the Thatcher years. The problem is that many unskilled people with families cannot afford to work because the minimum wage is set too low and is not relative to the economy. Eg: Three of the largest supermarket chains have all enjoyed a rise in profits year on year, yet the majority of their respective workforces's remuneration is subsidised by the taxpayer by way of the tax credit system. Scrap the current system, raise the minimum wage to a decent level and means test the companies who claim they cannot afford to pay the statutory rate. Sorted
Unless we give a real incentive to people to work the status quo will remain irrespective of whatever government is at the helm.
We had a revolution, it was called a general election.
This country was bordering on bankruptcy and is hughly in debt. We are currently paying 120 millions pounds a day in interest due to the current deficit.
I'm all for a fair society, but how is it fair that a person who has never done a days work, their parents have never done a days work and their parents parents have never done a days work, and has never ever contributed to society, has a better standard of living than someone who has worked their whole working life. This is not an exception to the rule. I go to houses were not a single member of the household works, yet there is a 50 inch plasma tv, plush leather sofas, a decent car, various gadgets and gizmos, they all smoke, drink, someetimes as early as 9.30 in the morning, (hardly employable), and have about 5 different pets. Everytime a fridge, washing machine etc etc breaks down it gets replaced by the tax payer. Housing is provided yet the house is treated like a pig sty and has to be repaired by the tax payer again.
Until you redress the balance of the benefits of not working against the benefits of working, a lot of people are going to take the easy option.
Its not that the minimum wage is too low, (at the end of the day you should cut you cloth accordingly) its that its too easy to have a comfortable lifestyle without working.
[smiley=thumbsup.gif]Great post, however comparing pigs to the work-shy is really rather unkind to porkers!Quote:
Originally Posted by DaytonaDog
I am really sorry DaytonaDog but I have to say that has to be one of the most biased, ill-informed, vitrilous, lopsided posts it's ever been my displeasure to have read!
If you think families on benefits, for whatever reason, are living a life of luxury with smart cars, huge plasma TV's, shall we assume nice holidays too, a new washing machine at the drop of a hat, all on us poor taxpayers, and presumably living a better life than you or I can afford, you are seriously deluded and totally out of touch with reality.
Pehaps your view is marred by the fact that by definition the people you are visiting (Quote "I go to houses were not a single member of the household works, yet there is a 50 inch plasma tv, plush leather sofas, a decent car, various gadgets and gizmos, they all smoke, drink" unquote) are criminals and their extra luxuries are paid for by crime!
With the liklihood of unemployment rising massively during this parliament, are you going to paint all the people unfortunate enough to lose there jobs and find it difficult to find work with the same brush? What if you lose yours? Is ANYONE on benefits to come under your dogmatic right wing description? I think Ken was a bit tongue in cheek when he titled this string - but the attitude you portray could possibly be a seed if given enough voice.
God protect the poor in your world, you obviously wont. Let's get it straight - Jobseekers benefit is £42 per week. Take a long time to live off that AND save for a 50" plasma - I hope you confiscated it!
Lock up the criminals by all means - please - we hate them. But be very careful with sweeping generalisations and dogmatic statements which bare no resemblance to the truth, that is damaging, totally inconstructive and unhelpful and fosters a feeling in society as unwelcome as race or religious hatred. There is a poverty trap in this country and too many of our citizens are caught in it. It is a social wrong which needs addressing. As do the criminally selfish bankers who are the architects of our debt.
i don't think DD is saying all people are benefits are living the life of luxury; only that far too many are.Quote:
Originally Posted by JAYJAY
The family opposite me could be the kind of place DD is visiting. The old-man (my age) doesn't work, about 2 years ago he got a job as a security guard, but packed it in after 6 weeks as he didn't like getting up at 5.30am (boo-hoo). Since then he's done nought - doesn't even look for work. They've got nice appliances, far better than most. They drink heavily, smoke (even though 3 out of 4 of their kids have asthma) and have a good standard of living. They are by no-means an exception in this area. You would be amazed at what they get hand-outs for; a taxi to the local health centre which is a 10 minute walk away!
What do you really mean by poor? I think you are seeing things from the very left-wing side. The government recently said they were gonna cap benefits at £26k p/a, this is still pretty significant and equates to £36k p/a if you are a tax-payer. That's more than most of us earn.
Whilst benefits cost more than income-tax generates, whatever your description of poor, things have to change.
Again the supposed facts are wrong. Benefits DO NOT cost more than generated tax. In fact the expected tax take expected on closing the Swiss Bank loophole is set to benefit the exchequer billions.
£26k is the exception, not the rule (would equate to around £32K before deductions) but on the face of it I would cap it far lower and increase lower benefits. But not everything is as simple as it seems is it? There now seems to be a Goverment uturn about to happen as they have realised that without some of these 'taxpayer handouts' the major cities, especially London, the City will be 'cleansed of the poor which are currently supported to remain. That would mean no poor workers to empty the bins, no poor workers to clean the hospitals and offices, no poor workers to arrive and put the fire out. Nothing is so simple that a draconian measure can easily fix.
Too right, as a Bristol Rovers supporter i hate Man Ure - but they are a successful business (arguably the most successful FC in the world) and they want the best people; they therefore pay the best money for that. Rooney for all his faults, is very successful at United and they want to retain him for many reasons.Quote:
Originally Posted by pilninggas
Redken, you'd have more money for beer, if you weren't paying for all the dole scroungers, oxygen wasters, resource parasites etc who live on the estate i live on and have absolutely no intention of working - why should they, you and i will pay! The benefits bill is greater than the revenues collected in income tax, thats you and i, and even Rooney paying for those who want to watch 'The Generally vile Show', rather than earn an honest days money!
I think we need a revolution too - one where only those who put something of substance into the system, are entitled to anything back. [/quote]
Man U successful ?? LOL .. they are 300 million in Debt .. and as for Wayne (ape man) Rooney he's not worth £230 Quid a week .. never mind 230 Grand :P
Do i count as poor? i'm a teacher :oQuote:
Originally Posted by JAYJAY
"Cap benefits to £26k ?!?!?!? thats TWICE what i earn working Full Time lol .. :D
I'm a customer services executive and by no means well off. I am not one of the 'poor' caught in the poverty trap I refer to and neither are you. We have the luxury of feeling 'relative' poorness, not poverty.
There is an old socialist principle - To each according to their need, From each according to their ability. You would think that in a modern educated society in one of the richest countries in the world, we could come to somewhere near that principle which was actually founded in a socialogical study rather than socialism.
The problem is those that could afford to support the 'To each' part are the type who rob us of our tax monies to rescue the businesses they gambled away and then pay themselves millions in bonuses - with our money! You will never find those with such a criminal greed ready to play such a responsible part in society, they are too tied up with protecting the status quo and increasing personal wealth to the detriment of anyone or anything. And on the other side of the coin you have those who quite like the 'To each' part but conveniently forget the 'From each' part.
The straight fact in this country is that over the last 15 year the rich/poor divide has widened massively - in those terms I'm afraid you and I are on the poor side of that equation, unless you are a head teacher. On top of that the most disadvantaged have become poorer in the same period. You can check this out, it is fact, not opinion.
Jay jay, I think you missed my point. I was trying to highlight the reasons why staying on benefits may be more appealing than getting a job, because for some, not necessarily from the criminal fraternity have a very comfortable lifestyle because they know how to play the system. Is that fair? Not when you have student nurses on 8 grand a week and soldiers in afghan on less than 20,000 grand. An article I read a couple of weeks ago was about a lady who had 6 kids by 5 different fathers none if whom paid any maintenance. She receives 39000 pounds a year in benefits. I've got no issue with that as those children need a roof over there head and need feeding, however when she uses those benefits to give herself a 4500 pound boob job, take 3 holidays a year and fund a 10000 credit card bill I think I can justifiably question if that is right and fair especially when you have pensioners who have worked all their lifes barely able to afford to eat and keep warm.
I've got no issue whatsoever with those who have been or will soon become unemployed or are genuinely unable to work receiving benefits as we all have a right to a basic standard of living as it's not their choice to be out of work or in a poorly paid job. My issue is with those who manage to legitimately work the system, who have never worked nor intend to work and seem to be able to claim every single benefit going. Until you address that anomaly you will have people who choose not to work because it is the easier option. That was the point I was trying to make, albeit not very eloquently.
I can assure you I'm in touch with reality. I see reality on a far too regular basis. I see squalor, poverty and deprevation far too often, which is why I get annoyed with those I have moaned about as it diverts the money away from those who genuinely need it.