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Don't know if anyone else uses them, but My Protein have an awesome deal on at the moment - £49.99 for a 6 product bundle, enough for a whole month. SciMx & Maximuscle only give you about 20 days supply of each product in the pack, plus you'd pay more than £50 just for 2 items normally.
I only use protein & creatine normally, before cardio to stop catabolysis (as I'm trying to burn the fat, not the muscle!), and after weights to ease DOMS. But I'll be interested to see how much difference these extra bits make. The omega 3&6 oil gels should be quite useful as I normally get quite sore knees after running.
Anyway, if anyone else is interested, here is the link:
http://www.myprotein.com/uk/products...MP-_2088217506
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Protein shakes are nowhere near as good as food. A good diet will give you everything you need. The only time I use them is immediatly after doing weights and can't get protein rich food. I normally eat a can of tuna.
Go steady with creotine. It's not meant to be used for prolonged periods.
If you add something to your diet that is naturally produce by the body, eventually you will stop producing it.
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Originally Posted by dan_geoghegan
Go steady with creotine. It's not meant to be used for prolonged periods.
If you add something to your diet that is naturally produce by the body, eventually you will stop producing it.
+1
I always make sure I have a week off after the loading & maintenance phases.
My diet could def be better, I was saying to Dabz earlier. The shakes are much more conveniant though when you're travelling a lot which I'm doing lots of with work. But they are meant to be a supplement, not a replacement for good eating habits.
Now if only there was a beer neutraliser, that automatically killed the calories from alcohol - I would pay for that! ;D
I know no-one probably believs me now, but I used to be in good shape in my early 20's. I was training 2 or 3 times a week, and doing martial arts. Then I met a woman, settled down, got lazy, fat etc. Now I'm on a push before I hit 30 to try and undo almost 7 years of bad habits!
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I only use protein & creatine normally, before cardio to stop catabolysis (as I'm trying to burn the fat, not the muscle!), and after weights to ease DOMS.
If you want to help DOMS then get yourself some compression gear, as you know I run Ultra Marathons and using compression gear, generally after exercise or as PJ's really help me recover, hence I can run 120 Mile weeks without feeling sore!
Head to Wiggle.co.uk hover over the run tab and select a brand called 2XU in the pop up window, I swear by 2XU - Well priced and Long lasting. ;)
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Creatine is too dangerous on the kidneys etc for my liking. Having spent a fortune on protein shakes in the past I wouldn't bother now - your body gets used to whey protein very quickly. A mixed diet and protein from a mixture of meats, grains, seeds and dairy is the only decent way of doing it.
It makes me mad to think how much money I wasted in years gone by...
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I will give that gear a look Ash! I wear Skinz in the winter but forget it in the warmer months... Managing 10 milers now after doing 14 milers 4 times a week round the Westbury and bratton hills before my bike accident... 6 months and still struggling to get my distance and speed back :-(
Suppliments no ta! Lots of water and good food like WB said :-) lean and trim is how I want to be, must find a way to ditch my chocolate addiction tho it's my only vice.
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I will give that gear a look Ash! I wear Skinz in the winter but forget it in the warmer months... Managing 10 milers now after doing 14 milers 4 times a week round the Westbury and bratton hills before my bike accident... 6 months and still struggling to get my distance and speed back :-(
Hizzy, Just take it easy - There is no rush, nor any goal to beat just your aim to gain your fitness slowly or you'll injure yourself. I'm only 18 and its taken my run coach and run partner as well as a 3 month injury period to really start thinking in reality about my training so take it easy - Before that it was all about how every run had to be a PB or I'd feel really unhappy and annoyed at myself.
Skinz are good - I use them more as just mess around legging for not so serious runs or sometimes to bed if my 2XU bits are in the wash and then use my 2XU Gear for the 'Real Training' I love them! Comfortable, keep my body temp almost perfect, you're running you'll always feel a bit hot, but better than cold and using energy to warm up!
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Thanks Ash, I know, it was nearly 3 months before I got running again, before I could lift a bloody kettle or pull a clutch in , it was quite a nasty spill ... and yes I know I have 20 years on you (mutters I'm still fitter now than when I was in my 20's and a beer guzzling , german bbq loving p!$$ head) I tend to wear the under armour bottoms in the winter months to keep the cold out , great under bike gear too but don't rate them for anything more than keeping muscles warm.
My runs have always been more distance rather than PB based to be fair Ash.... I pride myself on my fitness and was broken when I had my off, sods law just as I'd got myself to the best I'd been in ages too ! My next investment is getting some Nike Air Vomeros again, i was a bit skint at the start of the year so had to buy some cheaper Nike's , I tend to be a neutral runner even tho most squaddies run on the outside of their feet (it's how we are taught to walk and march messes up our gait) But I really want another pair of Vomero's ... I tend to wear them right out, my last 2 pair were far from what you'd call road legal had they been tyres!
You have to bear in mind what you and I call serious runs are about 10 miles apart and what I call a serious run is probably 10 miles again on the average punter on here's too .... I tried a bit of barefoot running the other week , just on a treadmill to start with to see what it was like as its supposed to be better for your knees, gave me a killer blister on my big toe tho ;) I need feet like one of those africans who walks miles a day for water... leather soles !
Argh Aid, wtf have you started ?!?!?! Runners Corner not WB lol x I may have to drag you out in North Swindon when I finally get my partner Ash(lyn) out running too ! She needs to get her booty back in shape ... she's not happy having a 38 year old woman kicking her 25 year old ass when running ;)
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Wow Hizzy, sounds like you really were in the wars with this bike accident, but the most important thing is what you have done, got off your bum and back into the routine, having the patience to do so is an achievement on its own!
I'm not sure how much Nike Air Vomeros are but another neautral shoe to look at would be Saucony Trumph 8's (Current Model) or Saucony Triumph 9's that are available in January, quite pricey but long lasting and ever so comfortable.
I've always fancied running barefoot but never quite yet bothered to give it a go or get minimalistic running shoes, possibly one day! Serious can be anything I've just gone out this morning (0500 start time) for a steady 7 miler... for me that was a serious run as it was recovery but then tomorrow I may go and run 20 not thinking anything about it, each to their own ;)
Always looking for people to go out and run with so give me a shout, would be great to run with some new people!
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As WBuilders says, food is best. Tastes better too.....
With I could run again.... really enjoyed it... :(
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Hizzy - appreciate the offer, but having been positively embarrased this morning by the other ladies in my cardio blast class, I'm not sure I can handle any more humiliation! ;D
Actually sod it. Bring it on!
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Why don't you guy's have a runout before the next rideout ;D
I have not been able to run for months now following a stress fracture of my left heel I did'nt know I had :o Just re-starting light work on the treadmill now
but frankly I hate the damn machine, so sticking with the bike, cross trainer, rower and my "natural" habitat, the swimming pool which is the best for us old'uns for non-impact exercise ;D
As other have said, a healthy diet is all most people need. We don't sell any supplements at any of our gyms due to the long term health implications if they are not used correctly, which is often the case in reality. This is despite the revenue we know we are losing by taking this stance. The balance with what you put in, what you do with it and what you get out of it is key to your health :)
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Originally Posted by BMWGraeme
The balance with what you put in, what you do with it and what you get out of it is key to your health :)
Definately agree!
The supplements market is packed full of strange potions and powders that make big promises and usually deliver little if any results.
That said however, if you are trying to put on muscle, then you do need to increase your protein and creatine intake. This can come from natural sources (chicken/tuna etc for protein, and beef etc for creatine).
A healthy diet is great, but most people don't realise how much extra you have to eat to put muscle on. Ignore my curent physique for a moment as I did do a number of years of 'proper training' when I was younger, and was fortunate enough to do a training nutrition course as well. It's actually quite difficult (and expensive!) to eat what you are supposed to eat every day (yes - every day!) to actually lose weight and put on muscle at the recommended rates.
Here's an example diet plan (supplement free) that you would follow if you want to do it properly....
Wake 6.30 am Strong black tea / coffee
40-50 mins low intensity cardio
7.30 breakfast Porridge: 30g oats + skimmed milk + tsp sugar
3 egg whites + 1 egg yolk scrambled
200ml fresh fruit juice
10.00 100g chicken breast
2 oatcakes
Fruit
Mug green tea
12.30 180g tuna or mackerel salmon or chicken breast
30g wholemeal pasta or basmati rice
Large mixed salad
Mug green tea
15.00 100g chicken breast
2 oatcakes
Fruit
Mug green tea
45 mins pre-workout 20g whey protein powder in water
2 oatcakes
Banana
Drink water
45 mins intense weight training
Immediately post workout 40g whey protein powder + 5g glutamine in water
Evening meal
60 mins later 150g lean red meat or 180g salmon steak
40g wholemeal pasta or 40g basmati rice or 2-3 small boiled new potatoes
Large serving mixed vegetables
Bedtime 200g cottage cheese
The only supplement (and protein isn't really a supplement - it's a base part of a training diet) is before & after weights, to help your body re-build what it's lost through the tearing of the muscle fibres during weights. And if you don't need protein to recover, you haven't been lifting heavy enough weights!
If anyone is interested in reading more on the subject, I use another forum called muscletalk. It's a bit like WBers for people who train (ie it's mostly friendly people and a good atmosphere!). There are loads of good articles on there, about everything from diet plans, fat burners, steroid use (they don't encourage it, but they do give you factual info, not the goverment created rubbish you get from Frank) to training ideas, how to improve physique etc.
Worth a look if you're at all interested in any of this.
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Sod putting mass on ... I'm big enough as it is thanks! I don't want to look like some kind of butch b1tch ! At 12 and a half stone and 5ft11 I'm more than carrying enough weight.
I've never been one to weigh my food like that, I know I eat in proportion to what I am burning. I have Coeliacs Disease so cannot 'Carb load' on pasta nor eat bread or even bloody oats so dipped there already.
I have to eat a careful gluten free diet as Coeliacs Disease is an Auto Immune Disease of all bloody things, so when I eat the wrong food or it gets contaminated the world falls apart and my own immune system drops (I had an attack this week by buying something that had been prepared alongside none GF food) it upset my tummy etc and then I had 3 days of a cold or something until my immune system got back up.
I tend to eat lots of chicken, a bit of fish here and there, mostly prawns etc, rice, rice noodles, potatoes, red meat when I'm injured to help repair the damage, gluten free porridge for my breaky and I am a sod for snacking on chocolate, 2 or 3 bars a day sometimes depending on how much phys I've done.
I go through about 3 to 4 litres of water a day when I'm training tho mixed with squash and basically eat lots of fruit throughout the day too. I'm more of a grazer during the day with a reasonable sized meal for dinner / tea.
Thankfully the only junk I can eat is chocolate and no fast foods, no burgers, pies, cakes , biccies etc that a lot of people will guzzle away at , coming off the wheat and gluten based foods really helped with my weight loss, being a 36 inch waist once upon a time, going gluten free got me down to 33 inch waist now I'm in at 28 to 29 depending on the day I think. I had to go GF tho as it can cause serious issues if left untreated.
I think it should be more a case of eat healthy, a little of what is bad for you does you good (treats but not over the top) and a nice balanced and varied diet... I just wish I ate as much veg as I do fruit but I really don't like it.
Anyway off home I go having just finished regimental PT ;) The one advantage of this job is that I'm paid to go to the gym in their time 8-)
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Agreed with Hizzy. A balanced diet is the key. Equally balanced excercise. Weights will make you big, but not fit. You have to do the stamina and cardio work as well.
I tend to eat most things.... and too much!!!! Have just started on the training cycle again after an enforced year of rest. Didn't like it one bit. First time I've not done much since 15 years old!!! Noticed that putting on weight is very easy when you slow down....
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Originally Posted by Squashed_Fly
[quote author=BMWGraeme link=1318517286/11#11 date=1318587629]The balance with what you put in, what you do with it and what you get out of it is key to your health :)
Definately agree!
The supplements market is packed full of strange potions and powders that make big promises and usually deliver little if any results.
That said however, if you are trying to put on muscle, then you do need to increase your protein and creatine intake. This can come from natural sources (chicken/tuna etc for protein, and beef etc for creatine).
A healthy diet is great, but most people don't realise how much extra you have to eat to put muscle on. Ignore my curent physique for a moment as I did do a number of years of 'proper training' when I was younger, and was fortunate enough to do a training nutrition course as well. It's actually quite difficult (and expensive!) to eat what you are supposed to eat every day (yes - every day!) to actually lose weight and put on muscle at the recommended rates.
Here's an example diet plan (supplement free) that you would follow if you want to do it properly....
Wake 6.30 am Strong black tea / coffee
40-50 mins low intensity cardio
7.30 breakfast Porridge: 30g oats + skimmed milk + tsp sugar
3 egg whites + 1 egg yolk scrambled
200ml fresh fruit juice
10.00 100g chicken breast
2 oatcakes
Fruit
Mug green tea
12.30 180g tuna or mackerel salmon or chicken breast
30g wholemeal pasta or basmati rice
Large mixed salad
Mug green tea
15.00 100g chicken breast
2 oatcakes
Fruit
Mug green tea
45 mins pre-workout 20g whey protein powder in water
2 oatcakes
Banana
Drink water
45 mins intense weight training
Immediately post workout 40g whey protein powder + 5g glutamine in water
Evening meal
60 mins later 150g lean red meat or 180g salmon steak
40g wholemeal pasta or 40g basmati rice or 2-3 small boiled new potatoes
Large serving mixed vegetables
Bedtime 200g cottage cheese
The only supplement (and protein isn't really a supplement - it's a base part of a training diet) is before & after weights, to help your body re-build what it's lost through the tearing of the muscle fibres during weights. And if you don't need protein to recover, you haven't been lifting heavy enough weights!
If anyone is interested in reading more on the subject, I use another forum called muscletalk. It's a bit like WBers for people who train (ie it's mostly friendly people and a good atmosphere!). There are loads of good articles on there, about everything from diet plans, fat burners, steroid use (they don't encourage it, but they do give you factual info, not the goverment created rubbish you get from Frank) to training ideas, how to improve physique etc.
Worth a look if you're at all interested in any of this.
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That's a daily diet is it? where is the other half of the food? more like daily torture!
Where is the daily bacon and egg butty?
the daily choccy bar? or even the daily biscuit?
By day 3 of that type of diet I would be in tesco looking at the 1kg bars of dairy milk, and thir BLT's, and that would be on my way to burger king. There are people in 3rd world countries that eat more than that!
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Depends what you want to get out of it. My mate Steve has just made it as a finalist for the Mens Health cover model. He was strict as hell with his diet and training. The irony is, he didn't feel healthy at all. Now it's over he's gone back to a normal "healthy diet" and he's never looked or felt better. He might not have the 8 pack anymore but he's alot fitter.
I Train to build useful strength, doing combination rather than isolation excercises . There's a big difference between gym strength and real world strength. People think that because I have a physical job I must be fit, but the opposite is true. I train at least 3 times a week doing pilates for mobility, circuit training for cv and weights for strength. At the weekends I'm either surfing, mountain biking or snowboarding depending on the season. I eat regularly and watch my saturated fat intake and that's about it. As long as you eat real food and not that processed crap and it's pretty well ballanced, you won't go far wrong.
Food should be a pleasure, not a chore.
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Originally Posted by dan_geoghegan
Depends what you want to get out of it. My mate Steve has just made it as a finalist for the Mens Health cover model. He was strict as hell with his diet and training. The irony is, he didn't feel healthy at all. Now it's over he's gone back to a normal "healthy diet" and he's never looked or felt better. He might not have the 8 pack anymore but he's alot fitter.
I Train to build useful strength, doing combination rather than isolation excercises . There's a big difference between gym strength and real world strength. People think that because I have a physical job I must be fit, but the opposite is true. I train at least 3 times a week doing pilates for mobility, circuit training for cv and weights for strength. At the weekends I'm either surfing, mountain biking or snowboarding depending on the season. I eat regularly and watch my saturated fat intake and that's about it. As long as you eat real food and not that processed crap and it's pretty well ballanced, you won't go far wrong.
Food should be a pleasure, not a chore.
Chocolate & mc donalds is my secret, and also the weekly smellyburger which is full of my own flavour And goodness.
;)
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Chocolate & mc donalds is my secret, and also the weekly smellyburger which is full of my own flavour And goodness.
;)
Your very own 'protein shake'?
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Originally Posted by dan_geoghegan
Protein shakes are nowhere near as good as food. A good diet will give you everything you need. The only time I use them is immediatly after doing weights and can't get protein rich food. I normally eat a can of tuna.
Go steady with creotine. It's not meant to be used for prolonged periods.
If you add something to your diet that is naturally produce by the body, eventually you will stop producing it.
Do you use a tin opener first? ;D
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Originally Posted by Kevinb
[quote author=dan_geoghegan link=1318517286/1#1 date=1318526641]Protein shakes are nowhere near as good as food. A good diet will give you everything you need. The only time I use them is immediatly after doing weights and can't get protein rich food. I normally eat a can of tuna.
Go steady with creotine. It's not meant to be used for prolonged periods.
If you add something to your diet that is naturally produce by the body, eventually you will stop producing it.
Do you use a tin opener first? ;D[/quote]
Theb can add extra iron to the diet!!! ;D
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Originally Posted by Squashed_Fly
[quote author=smellygerm link=1318517286/17#17 date=1318833817]
Chocolate & mc donalds is my secret, and also the weekly smellyburger which is full of my own flavour And goodness.
;)
Your very own 'protein shake'?
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Steady, last time someone said anything about his burgers he threw his toys out of the pram!
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Originally Posted by dan_geoghegan
[quote author=Squashed_Fly link=1318517286/18#18 date=1318842789][quote author=smellygerm link=1318517286/17#17 date=1318833817]
Chocolate & mc donalds is my secret, and also the weekly smellyburger which is full of my own flavour And goodness.
;)
Your very own 'protein shake'?
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Steady, last time someone said anything about his burgers he threw his toys out of the pram! [/quote]
With bloody good reason too Wiltshire Builders, if I remember rightly :P :P
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Originally Posted by Tina
[quote author=dan_geoghegan link=1318517286/21#21 date=1318868562Steady, last time someone said anything about his burgers he threw his toys out of the pram!
With bloody good reason too Wiltshire Builders, if I remember rightly :P :P[/quote]
I'd better keep quiet about the spelling mistake on his new business cards then
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It's just a post card and I'm going to send it to you with just my first name saying who much I like to ride with you and then leave a lipstick Mark and then spray it with sent and then something eles and then what eva so ner boverd. Stop picking on me you big bully whaaaaaaaaaaaa. Not really :P
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Originally Posted by Squashed_Fly
[quote author=BMWGraeme link=1318517286/11#11 date=1318587629]The balance with what you put in, what you do with it and what you get out of it is key to your health :)
Wake 6.30 am Strong black tea / coffee
40-50 mins low intensity cardio
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50 minutes of cardio on an empty stomach and you're MAKING muscle? I don't think so.
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50 minutes of cardio on an empty stomach and you're MAKING muscle? I don't think so.
That's not to make muscle. Thats to burn fat.
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Quite interesting threads, this and the healthy eating one!
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Again, not first thing in the morning on an empty stomach. You gotta eat.
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Again, not first thing in the morning on an empty stomach. You gotta eat.
DEFINATELY not!!!
Unless you're long distance fitness training and you need fuel, then eating before cardio is a waste of time. Your body just uses the fuel you put in, rather than breaking down the fat sources for energy.
Cardio is always done 1st thing in the morning on empty stomach, weights training after an energy filled meal in the evening.
Honestly hun, you never want to eat before cardio if you're trying to lose weight. Just a coffe for the caffeine hit!
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Originally Posted by Squashed_Fly
[quote author=Morticia link=1318517286/28#28 date=1319357595]Again, not first thing in the morning on an empty stomach. You gotta eat.
DEFINATELY not!!!
Unless you're long distance fitness training and you need fuel, then eating before cardio is a waste of time. Your body just uses the fuel you put in, rather than breaking down the fat sources for energy.
Cardio is always done 1st thing in the morning on empty stomach, weights training after an energy filled meal in the evening.
Honestly hun, you never want to eat before cardio if you're trying to lose weight. Just a coffe for the caffeine hit![/quote]
If you want to lose weight you need to eat.Sounds contradictory, I know, but you don't put food in, your metabolism doesn't wake up. You don't put food in, and your body starts burning calories at a much slower rate. You eat consistently and do interval training then you get your metabolism nice and high, which is where you want it.
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You're right, in that you need to eat more often to lose weight. But not more food. There are the same amount of calories in a big bowl of salad as there are in a knickerbocker glory. But which will help you lose weight quicker?
Actually the answer is neither - neither are particularly working to promote fat loss, but the salad is better for you!
There are many myths and 'common beliefs' surrounding fat loss & training etc. Most people think fat is bad - but actually the right fat is good, and so many people think that low fat food is better, but in many cases it's worse!
High protein, low carb meals, 6 times a day. No processed sugars or starches. Wholegrain fibres & nuts etc.
But the cardio on empty stomach for weightloss is still true I'm afraid. You body will always take energy from the quickest source. If you have food in your belly, it will get it from there, this wasting the first 15-20 mins of cardio if weightloss is your goal. If you're marathon training etc, then plenty of carbs & protein before running is good as you don't need to lose weight, you need to fuel your workout and prevent muscle wastage.
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She does do this for a living you know...
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So do lots of people Dabz.... ;)
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Hmmmm....being on the chunky side myself I find reading all this information extremely confusing
There are thousands of different theories out there about what is good and what is bad for you.
But are any of them right ..... or wrong ??
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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So do lots of people Dabz.... ;)
Everyone on the internet is an expert
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Originally Posted by ninja_richie
[quote author=Squashed_Fly link=1318517286/33#33 date=1319388049]So do lots of people Dabz.... ;)
Everyone on the internet is an expert
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That's why I don't bother with the internet ::)
Far better off asking advice from people who have masters degrees in this subject ;)
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That's why I don't bother with the internet ::)
Haha....brilliant ;D ;D
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Originally Posted by Tina
Hmmmm....being on the chunky side myself I find reading all this information extremely confusing
There are thousands of different theories out there about what is good and what is bad for you.
But are any of them right ..... or wrong ??
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
True!
I've rowed since age 13. In the years since I've heard every theory on fitness going, and there are some odd ones!!! None have ever been proven one way or the other.
Best piece of advise ever,
Find what works for you and stick to it!
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She does do this for a living you know...
Thanks Dabz!