i fully understand that, its quote: someone must of told him where we were meeting that got me:Quote:
Originally Posted by Tina
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i fully understand that, its quote: someone must of told him where we were meeting that got me:Quote:
Originally Posted by Tina
A Big thanks to all the people that helped with the organising of the photo shoot today. Had a great day [smiley=thumbsup.gif] [smiley=thumbsup.gif]
No one is accusing anyone, Speedy. It's just an assumption due to a co-incidence of location.
We all have friends that don't mix but still socialise with in other groups.
We all have people we have to socialise with that we don't get on with but bite our tongue or ignore thier shortcomings as I'm sure they and others ignore our shortcomings.
BB
I've been in bed again this afternoon/evening but will organize with tash and basil asap to choose the best pics and give everyone details of how to get a copy!
brill thanks Dabz
Shame I had to miss it (the photo shoot) and what sounded like an eventful day in other area's.
At least my daughter made some money at the car boot.
What a cracker [smiley=thumbsup.gif] [smiley=thumbsup.gif]
A massive thanks for all that turned up....and thanks for all the bike-dancing-helmet-on-off-up-down-left-right-cha cha cha (what a well oiled machine we are)!!! It was like dancing with the stars..... with bikes!!! Could've done with some brighter weather....... but, it is Autumn and the sun certainly wasn't shy later!!
I love that ride to the airfield and it was painful to watch and wave you off on your way to Weymouth :'(.......but i did have a cracking ride back and a lovely roast at The Bell in Rode with Tash.
Looking at all the things the group has been up to, it makes me feel like there's not too much we can't achieve AND i'm really excited about the meeting on the 29th (spot on Kev [smiley=thumbsup.gif]) i hope people come with some cracking adventures for us to get our teeth stuck into and get organised and i know next year is gonna be a winner.
I'll sort out photo distribution with Dabz [smiley=thumbsup.gif] [smiley=thumbsup.gif].....How exciting ;D :D
The "incident" - My two penneth's worth!!
This is without a doubt a cracking bunch of people - a TEAM. We all bring to the table a mixed bag of personalities and characters, with differing strengths and weaknesses, opinions and morals. By joining a forum you have to accept that and understand that. You must also accept that you're not going to get on with everyone, especially when the TEAM is so large...hey, we're only human right? We're pretty much programmed to NOT get on with everyone!
If someone warrants banning then it must be made crystal clear from the off that they are not welcome at all to anything regarding WB. ANYTHING - that way we can all support the decision and help enforce it as such.
Now i'm only being devil's advocate here so no abuse please BUT...... Finbar has been to many meets and ride outs and even IOW trips ect... I don't think he was given any CRYSTAL CLEAR message he wasn't welcome, in fact i would say he had mixed messages about the whole thing, i've spoken to him on rides and seen that many many other people have as well. I feel it was such a shame that it ended in violence, it's very upsetting to see.
We could have AND should have handled that so much better....and Hunar, that is by no means a dig ok buddy [smiley=thumbsup.gif]
Maybe a banning procedure should be discussed on the 29th so this doesn't happen again.
ANYWAY........Where's the photo gonna be taken next year??? ;D :D
He has been told he's not welcome, he chooses to ignore it. He turns up to all the WB events, despite knowing he is not welcome. Unfortunately while people still talk to him, to remain civil which i understand, he will call those people 'friends who want him there', and thats all the justification he needs to turn up. The only way to make sure he doesn't turn up is for everyone to ignore him when he does, until that happens he will probably carry on doing it for no other reason than he likes pissing people off, I think he considers it a challenge to anger and offend everyone he meets.
Maybe it coould AND should have been handled better by everyone ignoring him when he turns up and telling him to go away, but as not everyone does this, he keeps turning up, but then it's easy to critisise afterwards.
I'm not too sure everyone did know not to speak to him, this is not a critism or a dig so please don't take it that way, it's just merely a suggestion that things could have been handled differently. [smiley=thumbsup.gif]
potter? that was pottering was it? well some of it was through the villages, but alot of it wasn't! See told you that you are faster than me, that was a blat for me, and a potter for you, I need a sports bike lol, but I did enjoy pottering with you![/quote]Quote:
Originally Posted by swarwick
It was a pleasure to potter with the mighty Hunar too, better than riding back on my own. Lovely roads, the sun was out and the bike went well! ;)
Roxy :)
:)have to agree with basil on this one ,no one told me he was banned and I personally think it's down to the management to stop him and not ask everyone to ignore him ,sorry but I had enough of that sort of thing at school but then that's just me, hope I don't offend anyone with my comments . now here comes a smilly :) :) and I still like your show huner just get some of my request in [smiley=thumbsup.gif] ;D ;D
With reference to the photo shoot....... ;)
A big thankyou to Basil, Tash, Dabz, Hazel et al.
Very tidily done [smiley=thumbsup.gif]
Hoping to get some of the pics printed out big ready for Friday, and then will also post on here etc :)
potter? that was pottering was it? well some of it was through the villages, but alot of it wasn't! See told you that you are faster than me, that was a blat for me, and a potter for you, I need a sports bike lol, but I did enjoy pottering with you![/quote]Quote:
Originally Posted by roxychick
It was a pleasure to potter with the mighty Hunar too, better than riding back on my own. Lovely roads, the sun was out and the bike went well! ;)
Roxy :)[/quote]
I had to leave you dudes at the airport :'( now that was painful, what a perfect riding day [smiley=thumbsup.gif] [smiley=thumbsup.gif]
Pop round tomorrow Dabz!Quote:
Originally Posted by Dabz
Kettle will be on [smiley=thumbsup.gif] [smiley=thumbsup.gif]
potter? that was pottering was it? well some of it was through the villages, but alot of it wasn't! See told you that you are faster than me, that was a blat for me, and a potter for you, I need a sports bike lol, but I did enjoy pottering with you![/quote]Quote:
Originally Posted by Bornagain
It was a pleasure to potter with the mighty Hunar too, better than riding back on my own. Lovely roads, the sun was out and the bike went well! ;)
Roxy :)[/quote]
I had to leave you dudes at the airport :'( now that was painful, what a perfect riding day [smiley=thumbsup.gif] [smiley=thumbsup.gif]
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You left us cos you knew you would be playing catch up to the girlie r6! lol ;D :D ;D
Hay basil I think were gona have to show roxy what these Ninja thoroughbred are capable of boom boom shake the room vroom vroom when we pas you he he
;D ;D
Oh comeon Green man, we all know them Ninjas hold nothing on the ARRRR6's! ;D [smiley=thumbsup.gif]
Hay Lexxor if you got a R6 get your cash out Race Race !! PS i dint say what Ninja i got he he h ha ;D ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by Lexx0r
Basil
I'm not taking it as a dig chief, I agree it could have been handled differently, I have offered my resigination as a member of the management team and forum, because I don't think it's an image we need, and made my apologies. I was pointing out the way I think it should have been handled, by everyoine ignoring him and telling him to leave WB events.
Smelly
Chief if you request a rock tune and I have it in my collection and there is time I will play it, no worries, unless of course it's the osmonds and crazy horses, which obviously isn't a rock tune, despite what Amanate thinks (I'm on tonight by thwe way, 10pm - midnight, www.bikerfm.co.uk, but I do have to warn listeners that the some people may find the content of the show offensive, outrageous, childish, possibly indecent, hillarious, inspiring or even life changing!)
The management have made it perfectly clear to fin that he is not welcome at WB events, I believe that most, if not all of us, have made that point perfectly clear. The problem is that fin likes to tease and push people, and he knows that we can't technically stop him from riding wherever he likes on the public highways, and he gets a nice buzz from turning up and ruining everyones day with his presence, no idea why he gets a kick from it, but there you go, I guess to some people it gives them a sense of power which they can't get any other way.
Why shouldn't we rely on members to help enforce the rules? how are we supposed to enforce a banning if people talk to him and invite him to events? We tell him to leave as he's not welcome, while everyone is saying 'Hi Fin, how's it going mate?', how's that goign to work? you've seen what happens when someone does confront him individually, he wasn't going to leave, he had every intention of staying, even though he knew he wasn't welcome. In fact when he did leave he went straight down to Weymouth and waited for us to arrive, so not sure how we are supposed to enforce the rules without the help of the forum members as well.
Fin obviously wouldn't tell you he was banned, I know a couple of guys he also got this way, just told them he wasn't on the forum and could they post for him. They met him at a non WB event, and as they didn't know the full story (as he obviously wouldn't tell them), they talk to him, although having seen him on a few of our trips they where getting the idea he wasn't popular, but no idea how unpopular, now they know, and he's not very popular with them either. This is how he justifies turngin up to WB events, as he said himself on Sunday 'my friends want me here', I know people don't like him but talk to him out of politeness, that's what he classes as a friend, people who talk to him. You can also raise the point again, that if his 'friends' want and invite him to turn up to WB events, IF they know he's banned, how are we supposed to enforce the rule? Personally I would hope his 'friends' would respect the descision and wishes of the vast majority of the other members of this forum and not invite him along, and tell him not to come when he says he will attend, if you want to ride with him or meet him somewhere then do it another time somewhere he is welcome and not at WB meets, obviously, if they know he's banned. Unfortunately he won't tell new friends that info, and then we get these kinds of problems.
We could put a sticky post up about banned members, but I think the opinion of the management team, is that we rather we didn't have too, in the 5 years or so this forum has been active we have only had to ban about 5 usernames, and some of those where just spam accounts, so it's not somethgin we do on a regular basis, or somethign we enjoy having to do, but sometimes you have no choice, if you give someone enough chances and they still carry on, you can either lose members or ban them. I think the worry is that a sticky'd post about banned members may be seen as a sign we just through the ban hammer around for the fun of it, maybe we need to do it, the post that is, not the ban hammer.
It's also been suggested to make certain sections members only, or the whole forum private, and a few other ideas to restrict access I don't think Dabz wants any of these things to have to happen, and neither do the admins, and to be honest it's not hard to re-register with a new username, I wouldn't be suprised if he has already done that, and the forum is public view so everyone can read it without having to log in, it's always been that way, and this is the only time it's really been a problem, I don't see the need to change a system that everyone seems happy with, that seems to work (judging from the membership increases we're getting), just because one person decides to be an arse just because he can. It's much easier for everyone to let him know he shouldn't attend WB events and to ignore him when he does, I appreciate everyone is different, and that he may have friends who are members of this forum, but if they don't agree with his banning, why are they still here? why can't they respect the wishes of everyone else and meet with him at other times? like I said though, IF they know he's banned.
It's not an easy problem to solve, well it is just by ignoring him, but if thats not likely to happen, then it's not an easy problem to solve, but what I believe will happen if he continues to turn up and no one does anything, is that people will leave or stop posting and just communiate through PM's with people, ride outs organised in secret to ensure he doesn't turn up, people going home or somewhere different to the rest of the group when he does, I already know of people who stay at home rather than go out, in case he is there. Doesn't sound like fun to me, all this because one guy doesn't get it? yup back to skool dayz, but then we are dealing with a child, so it shouldn't come as a great suprise.
Well said Hunar. I am behind you 100% on this. He has been told again and again and hopefully now everyone (old and new) knows the situation he will stay away.
Don't you dare resign, the forum just wouldn't be the same without the mighty Hunar, you stay excatly where you are! Yes the incident was very unfortunate, it looked bad and the injury incurred by you was awful but to be honest in my opinion it was always going to come to something like this, as the guy just seems to get a kick out of it all.
Lets all stop wasting time on him (because he is probably reading all this and loving it) and enjoy the Wiltshire Bikers the way we have all been doing.....lets ride dudes!! ! well apart from basil who has yet to get to grips with his bike, ;D :D r6 rules :-*
Roxy [smiley=thumbsup.gif]
I Re-iterate. Do not resign, that would just be silly [smiley=thumbsup.gif]
The point of my first post was merely to act as Devil's advocate (which i did write in my post).
Your last post above is probably a post that should have been issued at Finbar's point of banning. That way everyone would have been informed without confusion. If the prefered method of keeping banned members away from meets is for the majority to ignore them then surely everyone must be aware that they're banned in the first place.
That basically was the point of my first post on the matter, and hopefully we can now sing from the same hymme sheet [smiley=thumbsup.gif] [smiley=thumbsup.gif]
Hunar.... I know it's not rock but Stace has asked me to request "Boys Boys Boys" by Sinita....He just loves it ;D :D
He might have more luck with rinksy thats right up his musical street so to speak, or LT, that song really sets his eyebrows twitching!Quote:
Originally Posted by Bornagain
Hay Lexxor if you got a R6 get your cash out Race Race !! PS i dint say what Ninja i got he he h ha ;D ;D[/quote]Quote:
Originally Posted by cobs
Hahaha! [smiley=thumbsup.gif]
He bit me, it's not really a massive injury, his jaw isn't that strong, for all the exercise it gets mouthing off, to be honest its more comical than painful hehe, back to skool daze indeed, I think that was actually the last time someone bit me, in my junior school, well there was that girl that time in the states, but I paid her so I don't think it counts.Quote:
Originally Posted by roxychick
After all his threats, and mouthing off, all he manages to do is bite me, honestly you couldn't make it up, I'm pissing myself laughing, I think he might be safe the next time we meet, just on the basis I might not be able to stand up as I'm laughing so hard my legs give out, and the sight of Kirsty holding his nose to make him let go will stay with me for a very long time, it was brilliant, there did seem an odd number of hands going for his throat when people realised what he was doing though.
As for finally getting the message, I know most are optimistic, but I believe you're being rather gracious in your allowance of his available intelligence, but then I am a sceptic about most things, I grant you it's possible that he might, but I think it's more likely that we may not see him at any WB only events, but you can bet your bollocks to a barn dance he will be at most of the public events we decide to attend.
I would also like to point out / remind people that the people he speaks to when he does turn up at our events are NOT always his friends, they are just people who he knows he will get a response from because they are just being polite, they came for a fun day out, not an argument, so keep it polite and civil for everyone else, alas I am not as polite and civil as they are. I am also aware that the person who did tell him we where meeting at warminster did so without any malice or intent, and at the moment I believe they are worried about speaking up in case they get lynched, I don't know who it was, I trust the person who told me to be honest with me, but I really don't want to see that type of thing coming out of this, it's really not the way to deal with it, I don't think you need to reveal who you are or make an apology for it, as I gather you didn't know the full extent of the resentment to him from the rest of the group, I doubt Fin would have been that honest about it, and I can appreciate that if you did know, that you wouldn't have told him, no worries we can leave it there.
As for a sticky'd forum post, it's something the admin team will be discussing, and can be discussed in public at the meeting if needed.
I would like to point out I am a libertarian and not a librarian, and that I always check to make sure the spell checker has got it right, before i click change, but as I am sure you can tell, I don't use a spell checker, typo's have their benefits though as people can usually tell what you mean, for example, if I called fin a count I am sure most people would understand.
hunar can I have a big hug next time we meet, just read your post and now fully understand what is going on ,we to get problematic people in the harp from time to time and I do know how you feel so I apologize if my comments upset anyone but I have a really large penis and can't help sticking my oar in . and can I have girls girls girls by some old metal band ,once again SORRY but I do have a very large man hood which I don't think I mentioned ;D [smiley=thumbsup.gif]
some old metal band? that was the Crue dude, the greatets rock band of al time, will happily put it in the playlist for tonight hehe, and a hug is not a problem chief!Quote:
Originally Posted by smellygerm
Hunar, I haven't really had the pleasure of meeting you properly yet, but I fully endorse what roxy has said about you not resigning.
I will openly admit to talking to Finbar at the Polebarn meets and on the bike meets he has been too, partly out of politeness because I find it hard to be rude to people (despite what some people may think, lol), but partly because I was under the impression that he was only banned from the forum and that we couldn't do anything to stop him attending meets. I also didn't have a clue as to the full reasons why he was banned which may have helped people like me from ignoring him and enforcing the ban. (not a criticism just an idea).
I must say fair play to you for having the balls to tell Finbar to sling his hook and too not respond to his insults and the assault upon you.
Hopefully now, he will no longer be an issue and we can all enjoy what we love the best and that is biking and in particular WB's biking.
One of the most difficult things in the world is pushing your own views on others. Ok, that 'person' was banned from the forum, and maybe it should have been mentioned to new people joining but in the same light I personally would have found it hard to go up to newbies and tell them that 'he' is not a pleasant chap and not to get involved with him (which is not the sort of behaviour usually associated with adults)
I guess when he turned up with his 'woman of the moment' he did seem to have improved (if only for a short time) so I think people were giving him a second chance (or was it 3rd,4th or 5th) but he then reverted back to his old ways of being extremely unpleasant to others.
This was a situation that hasnt come up in this way before so it was difficult to know the best way to handle it.
But hopefully it wont come up again and now the lid can be put on this yukky can of worms and be thrown away and forgotten........time to move on and try to forget the whole matter ???
Anyone else agree?? [smiley=thumbsup.gif] [smiley=thumbsup.gif] [smiley=thumbsup.gif] [smiley=thumbsup.gif]
As a relatively new member to the Forum I have to agree that the incident referred to was unfortunate. When things calmed down, I took the personal view that **** happens, let's get on and have a brill day (which I did). I am not up to speed on the history of this dispute which culminated in Sunday's fracas. I believe therefore it would be inappropriate for me to comment on this particular case. However, on the general point of banned site members attending WB organised events, I think two conundrums exist which are difficult to solve. Firstly on ignoring unwanted attendees at WB events; All members attending a particular WB event would need to know the identity of the gatecrasher and would have to make up their own minds up as to whether or not they wished to speak to him/her. As you rightly say Hunar, out of politeness, some people find it very difficult to ignore someone who engages with them in conversation. Secondly,prohibiting banned site members from attending WB organised events; Although WB is effectively a private club most of its events take place on/in public areas (re roads). Doubtless, like all the WB members, I do not wish to see a repeat performance of last Sunday in the future. I know this post may appear negative to some, but I personally believe that Collectively, we need to focus on the aforesaid issues in order to find a solution to this difficult problem.
Totally agree, time to move on, I think enough has been said on this unpleasant episode. Lets just get on with the matter in hand and thats riding our bikes and having fun, fun, fun!!! [smiley=thumbsup.gif]
When are we going to see these photos then?
Did they not come out? :o
Dabz is sorting the copies and mounting :o them on a board. They'll be on display on Friday at my gaff and then again on wednesday at General Germs H & Clown ;D ;D
I think Dabz is getting some printed off so you can purchase REAL photos and if you want to you can make a voluntary donation to WB'ers at the same time (......oh go on, you know you want to [smiley=thumbsup.gif] [smiley=thumbsup.gif])
..can't make Polebarn tomorrow (Fri 15th) so will the photos be available to see at another time ?? (Won't be at H&C either !!).
..Ade
yup I'll make sure they do the rounds mate, and we'll post some smaller copies on here over the weekend too!
Which weekend is this exactly? :-/ We've been waiting three aready!!! :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Dabz
Which weekend is this exactly? :-/ We've been waiting three aready!!! :D[/quote]Quote:
Originally Posted by RichT1967
;D ;D nice one!
Patience is a virtue :)
patience rools ok
Patience may be a virtue......but we're still waiting!!! [smiley=thumbsup.gif]Quote:
Originally Posted by Dabz