So you agree with the terrorists then. "Mock me and everything I hold dear and face the consiquences"Quote:
Originally Posted by Swanny
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So you agree with the terrorists then. "Mock me and everything I hold dear and face the consiquences"Quote:
Originally Posted by Swanny
Absolutely not.
Calling me names isn't going to result in him dying
But it's the same thought process. There would be violence. You would still commit a crime, albeit a lesser one, in the name of what you perceive to be justice.
To someone who has been radicalised there's no difference. Murder is justified. "These people know if they speak out against us they will pay the price."
Don't get me wrong. I would probably act like you too but I know it's the wrong thing to do.
I wouldn't be committing a crime, if it turned physical I would be acting in self defense.
These people are using their religion as an excuse to murder
Spot on WB . So if we go back now to the subject of the original post. If a minority group go around beheading and shooting innocent people , and incidentally this minority group truly DO NOT represent Islam or in any way follow the teachings of the Prophet Muhammad , and to quote “The most excellent Jihad is that for the conquest of self.” who could actually argue with that ? . I must point out that I am neither Christian nor Muslim and lean more towards Agnosticism and most likely Atheism , but I reserve judgement until the day I receive definite proof , as is my right . I don't support Christianity or Islam nor any other faith for that matter , and have only ever seen it as a tool which was created and nurtured for one purpose only . To divide and maintain conflict among " ordinary People " That being said , we must strive to accept , support and tolerate another beings right to his or her belief , thought and feeling whatever that may be , if it provides a source of comfort , love and peace in a world which seems more and more to propagate and encourage selfishness , greed , hatred and conflict .Quote:
Originally Posted by wiltshire builders
We must also support and defend another beings right to free speech , but what actually is that , in this day and age . It seems to mean different things in different societies , different cultures and different systems , and definitely has different values and meanings when viewing events from different perspectives . The line has become pretty murky in this diverse and complex world .
On this small Island and , it appears in the rest of the West , whenever we open a " News " paper or switch on the TV , we're constantly being supplied with information which we're informed really does have our best interest and collective well being and safety as it's motivation . Information that is provided to educate , and serve and protect us ??? We seem to spend our daily lives swimming in such words as " terror " Islam " " national security " Muslim " " fundamentalists " " radicals " "TERROR TERROR TERROR " " War On Terror " We barely get a chance to draw a breath before the next barrage of information hits us in our best interest .
What happened in Paris is so F*****G abominable I can't begin to imagine and in particular The Charlie Hebdo shootings , as this brings us back to the media's perspective on these events . And after all it was only a cartoon . As Ricky Gervais once said " It's really not possible to cause offence , it's only possible to take offence " And whether the Hebdo publications had gone out or not this minority group of "Criminals" would still be out there doing what they do , not needing any real reason or justification for their actions . That being said WE should know better as THEY clearly don't . But isn't the real issue the fact that the mainstream international media , law makers and political leaders , and let's face it , aren't they really one and the same thing , get hold of this event and wave it around in the name of free speech , when in actual fact it only possibly leads to the alienation of and discrimination towards an entire people , ultimately resulting in further conflict and division . Why would the mainstream media and political leaders want this ??? Ah and the penny drops , or it should do ...............
If the " People " all marched on Westminster and the Financial square mile shouting slogans and waving banners , calling for our leaders and our bankers to step down as we did not believe them to be genuinely and sincerely upholding their responsibilities , would we wake up in the morning to headlines of "Justice " and " Unity In the name of Free Speech " ............. Not likely.
Freedom of Speech and Inciting Hatred means different things from opposing angles , and it's down to us as " Civilised Human Beings " to measure , evaluate and regulate what that is , because it's not being done for us.
I don't want to get into the intricacies of law but hitting someone who mocks you is definitely not self defence. You would be before a judge and you would be looking at jail time and quite rightly so.Quote:
Originally Posted by Swanny
Your argument has fallen flat.
They are using religion as an excuse to murder as you would be using hurt feelings/pride as an excuse to commit abh.
Like I said earlier this is exactly the same view the radicals have and it is wrong.
Reza Aslan sums up the media's portrayal of Islam perfectly.
1.5 Billion people are a lot to tar with the same brush.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=h5tc48iaki0
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Originally Posted by wiltshire builders
Good find , I wish I could be as articulate , fluent and lucid on the spot.
Here's some news coverage which highlights the effects that Western political decisions and mainstream media coverage of Extremism has on ordinary people " JUST LIKE US "
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XvZBkIkVZiw
I wouldn't hit someone for mocking me and never said I would. I said I would defend myself if it turned physical. He is the aggressor not me.Quote:
Originally Posted by wiltshire builders
Good video, it shows that CNN is part of the BS propaganda system just as is the BBC. There is an agenda at workQuote:
Originally Posted by wiltshire builders
More propaganda exposed
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJEvlKKm6og
Notice how they talk about female genital mutilation and yet almost all males in America have their genitals mutilatedQuote:
Originally Posted by wiltshire builders
Ive seen this, the bullet looked to me like it struck the pavement. No blood, if he's already expiring there won't be. When people get shot at close range, theres not a big theatrical blood and brains explosion like you see in the movies, plenty of videos on the net that prove this.. If you don't believe me google Executions - human rights people made it in the mid 90s, subsequently banned.. Check the last 5mins. A guy took an AK47 slug to the face, hardly if at all any blood.Quote:
Originally Posted by Swanny
The mess takes a bit of time to fully ooze out the exit wound..... I have personal experience of this.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stuntsunlimited
so whats your take on it then fella?Quote:
Originally Posted by WR6133
The comparison in the video to a watermelon is BS, a human head is not a watermelon. A friend of mine was shot in the head it took hours to get him out of the vehicle for various reasons that don't matter here, but there was no massive explosion of his skull. A very neat hole just under his eye and a somewhat larger hole at the back of his skull. The kind of mess you see in gore films is over done, I did end up painted in blood that night but that was only after a lot of movement of the body over a few hours. Prior to movement all that really told you he had been shot in the head was the neat hole to the front which looked like a tear made of blood and the less neat hole behind.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stuntsunlimited
The AK round on the policeman at that range would have simply passed straight through, no tumble, no slowing down at something over 700 meters a second... too all intents and purposes his head would have made no difference to the travel of the bullet..... it'll be embedded in the pavement somewhere. As to his head not "jerking" when hit, live leak is full of videos of executions and murders you can see for yourself people don't go flying about like ragdolls, high velocity rounds go clean through most of the time they don't get stuck inside trying to propel the target with them (there is scientific wording for this but I don't know it).
The flash on the pavement is probably a combination of ****e following the round down the barrel, muzzle flash being dispersed and those forces blowing up any crap on that bit of pavement. May even be caused by the round gone through his head ricocheting off the pavement though I don't think it is due to the angle.
For people to start getting hurled around with body parts exploding you need to be getting in the realms of 30mm HE weapons which are bloody big and vehicle mounted or shoulder mounted anti tank weapons (though odds are a direct RPG hit would go through a human target not explode).
I personally don't doubt that policeman was shot in the head. Definitive proof that the layman could find would be to go there and look around the street/pavement for where the exiting bullet has struck...... it will have left a mark there somewhere.
The masks I doubt were worn for anonymity probably more for intimidation, IS soldiers can be seen wearing them in Syria/Iraq where they don't need anonymity. The ID card is because they probably never intended to make a long term escape (I'd bet they were shocked at the getaway they did manage), these guys probably wanted martyrdom and all the bounties that apparently come with.
Anyway that's my take on the video quoted a few posts above.
Nice one WR, yeah it would explain a lot... :) So you doing think he missed then?Quote:
Originally Posted by WR6133
Don't think he missed. This is a clumsy way to do it but I think this is paused almost on the moment of the shot, looks to me like that barrel is pointed to the lower rear of the guys head.
http://i1249.photobucket.com/albums/...ps18ddecd7.jpg
I suppose the only way the conspiracy theories would be silenced is by showing the guys post mortem live which won't happen. Though I'd say this.... if somebody went to all the trouble to fake this why would they not just kill the policeman anyway? He is nothing more than an irrelevant pawn, faking his death and letting him live could lead to way too many unforeseen complications down the line, killing him would be a win, win, hero and martyr for the people behind the conspiracy to sell to us and no loose ends to cause problems later.
Edit - If you look at the image, I would suspect any blood from the exit wound would be neatly covered by the body.
Nice one, I'll buy that... Though for the conspiricy theorist, they know theres is something wrong with the world, I work in TV News occasionally, and stuff, relevant stuff does get 'edited' I can see why people are distrustful. Politicians constantly lie to us.Quote:
Originally Posted by WR6133
Makes you wonder if these things have been planned to happen
Albert Pike received a vision, which he described in a letter that he wrote to Mazzini, dated August 15, 1871. This letter graphically outlined plans for three world wars that were seen as necessary to bring about the One World Order, and we can marvel at how accurately it has predicted events that have already taken place.
Pike's Letter to Mazzini
It is a commonly believed fallacy that for a short time, the Pike letter to Mazzini was on display in the British Museum Library in London, and it was copied by William Guy Carr, former Intelligence Officer in the Royal Canadian Navy. The British Library has confirmed in writing to me that such a document has never been in their possession. Furthermore, in Carr's book, Satan, Prince of this World, Carr includes the following footnote:"The Keeper of Manuscripts recently informed the author that this letter is NOT catalogued in the British Museum Library. It seems strange that a man of Cardinal Rodriguez's knowledge should have said that it WAS in 1925".It appears that Carr learned about this letter from Cardinal Caro y Rodriguez of Santiago, Chile, who wrote The Mystery of Freemasonry Unveiled.
To date, no conclusive proof exists to show that this letter was ever written. Nevertheless, the letter is widely quoted and the topic of much discussion.
Following are apparently extracts of the letter, showing how Three World Wars have been planned for many generations.
"The First World War must be brought about in order to permit the Illuminati to overthrow the power of the Czars in Russia and of making that country a fortress of atheistic Communism. The divergences caused by the "agentur" (agents) of the Illuminati between the British and Germanic Empires will be used to foment this war. At the end of the war, Communism will be built and used in order to destroy the other governments and in order to weaken the religions." 2Students of history will recognize that the political alliances of England on one side and Germany on the other, forged between 1871 and 1898 by Otto von Bismarck, co-conspirator of Albert Pike, were instrumental in bringing about the First World War.
"The Second World War must be fomented by taking advantage of the differences between the Fascists and the political Zionists. This war must be brought about so that Nazism is destroyed and that the political Zionism be strong enough to institute a sovereign state of Israel in Palestine. During the Second World War, International Communism must become strong enough in order to balance Christendom, which would be then restrained and held in check until the time when we would need it for the final social cataclysm." 3After this Second World War, Communism was made strong enough to begin taking over weaker governments. In 1945, at the Potsdam Conference between Truman, Churchill, and Stalin, a large portion of Europe was simply handed over to Russia, and on the other side of the world, the aftermath of the war with Japan helped to sweep the tide of Communism into China.
(Readers who argue that the terms Nazism and Zionism were not known in 1871 should remember that the Illuminati invented both these movements. In addition, Communism as an ideology, and as a coined phrase, originates in France during the Revolution. In 1785, Restif coined the phrase four years before revolution broke out. Restif and Babeuf, in turn, were influenced by Rousseau - as was the most famous conspirator of them all, Adam Weishaupt.)
"The Third World War must be fomented by taking advantage of the differences caused by the "agentur" of the "Illuminati" between the political Zionists and the leaders of Islamic World. The war must be conducted in such a way that Islam (the Moslem Arabic World) and political Zionism (the State of Israel) mutually destroy each other. Meanwhile the other nations, once more divided on this issue will be constrained to fight to the point of complete physical, moral, spiritual and economical exhaustion…We shall unleash the Nihilists and the atheists, and we shall provoke a formidable social cataclysm which in all its horror will show clearly to the nations the effect of absolute atheism, origin of savagery and of the most bloody turmoil. Then everywhere, the citizens, obliged to defend themselves against the world minority of revolutionaries, will exterminate those destroyers of civilization, and the multitude, disillusioned with Christianity, whose deistic spirits will from that moment be without compass or direction, anxious for an ideal, but without knowing where to render its adoration, will receive the true light through the universal manifestation of the pure doctrine of Lucifer, brought finally out in the public view. This manifestation will result from the general reactionary movement which will follow the destruction of Christianity and atheism, both conquered and exterminated at the same time." 4Since the terrorist attacks of Sept 11, 2001, world events, and in particular in the Middle East, show a growing unrest and instability between Modern Zionism and the Arabic World. This is completely in line with the call for a Third World War to be fought between the two, and their allies on both sides. This Third World War is still to come, and recent events show us that it is not far off.
In case you don't know who Albert Pike is
I've seen this before. I get the whole 3rd World War thing. How many countries fighting does it constitute a 'world war'? Maybe the 3rd world war is going on right now... And we don't know it!
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Originally Posted by Stuntsunlimited
I don’t subscribe to the conspiracy theory on this occasion. I do find it difficult however, to accept on face value any news or information released by establishment sources. People are not born cynical. Decades of cover-ups, lies and the manipulation of facts by those in positions of trust has pushed the ordinary person’s faith to the limits. Oh how I wish I could feel differently, but how can I after witnessing the lengths that the police, politicians, the media and other public figures went to in collusion, to coverup scandals like the failings in the Hillsborough disaster and Stephen Lawrence murder investigation, to name but two? And did they ever find WMDs in Iraq?
You would be, very very surprised... It all goes right to the very top!Quote:
Originally Posted by redken1
I would be what? Not quite sure what you mean. If you mean surprised at what goes on, I bet I wouldn't be. Stunts I edited that last post after you copied it because for some reason there was no spaces between some of the words.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stuntsunlimited
Read "Ministry of Defeat" it is a good book about our involvement in Iraq and how despite what we were being told we actually just stumbled from blunder to blunder before basically surrendering (despite being undefeated). It gives a good insight in to how things are not so much conspiracy but spin upon spin upon spin to the point the original facts are lost. Sheds a light well on how those that the top lie and deceive.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stuntsunlimited
The revolution will not be televised!Quote:
Originally Posted by Swanny
I wonder if enough people encrypted everything no matter how trivial would it bring his "snoopers charter" grinding to halt due to lack of resources to decrypt everything?Quote:
Originally Posted by Swanny
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KkWz7Inn-4A
Just sharing
I don't buy this for one minute Swanny. Its great that people are looking more in-depth and not believing everything.. Very funny how the Prince Andrew things fallen off of the radar. And now the ex chief of Mi6 is saying we deserve everything we get if we insult Islam... How retarded is that? So insult my sky fairies messenger - I'll funking murder you!Quote:
Originally Posted by Swanny