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Originally Posted by Squashed_Fly
The difference betwenn them and me being that I guarantee results or your money back, so, unlike you, I put my money where my mouth is. Also, I'm slim and you're not, so I'll stick to my methods if it's all the same to you ;)
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Yup I agree Jon.......and Morticia if only I lived closer.....I hate the idea of physical stuff but you are about the only person I would actually (possibly) listen to ;D ;D
That may be true, but I get my training advice from this guy (who by the way, won the award for best UK personal trainer earlier this year) - and I'd rather look like him than you! James also happens to be good friend whom I've known for many years.Quote:
Originally Posted by Morticia
No offence of course! :P
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He might win the PT olimpics too, but he still dishes out the wrong advice.
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Originally Posted by Tina
You can aways try to find something you enjoy, that's why Zumba is so popular. All the ladies that try it get hooked, cos it's fun and it doesn't feel like a chore.You don't have to spend hours on a boring workout, you can, of course, but you're a lot less likely to stick to it.
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Originally Posted by Morticia
The difference betwenn them and me being that I guarantee results or your money back, so, unlike you, I put my money where my mouth is. Also, I'm slim and you're not, so I'll stick to my methods if it's all the same to you ;)[/quote]
Slim and beautiful too :D :-*
Yeah, to be fair, with a 6% body fat, he looks like he doesn't know what he's talking about....Quote:
Originally Posted by Morticia
Nor any of the other studies that disagree with what you've said. Including the 2 stone I've lost so far...
We must all be wrong?
I'll send you through some of the research into this. Sounds like it could be worth you reading it if you're training people. The science makes for interesting reading.
Yeah, to be fair, with a 6% body fat, he looks like he doesn't know what he's talking about....Quote:
Originally Posted by Squashed_Fly
Nor any of the other studies that disagree with what you've said. Including the 2 stone I've lost so far...
We must all be wrong?
I'll send you through some of the research into this. Sounds like it could be worth you reading it if you're training people. The science makes for interesting reading.
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Hey SF.......you really are a good salesperson ........ once you're told something then thats it...you will not accept other peoples points of view etc....and try to convert everyone to your way of thinking......hehe.....ever thought of becoming a door to door religious salesman.....watch out cos they may find out how good at believing everything you're told and try to enrol you hehe........not being funny but you aren't always right bud
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Phew, all this talk about fitness makes me feel for chocolate (lots of it) ;D Anybody else ??? ;D ;D ;D
PS> I'm not fat, I'm just ballast to keep the front wheel on the ground ....Vroom Vroom ;D ;D
amen! :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Dennis_Sinanan
That's true. And it's for a reason - when I do something, I normally spend time researching it first, and speaking to people that I know first hand are experts in what they do. If someone else tells me something that differs to what they say, as far as I'm concerned, until they prove otherwise, they don't have the skills or experience to tell me otherwise.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tina
People see it as disrespectful, or arrogant. And I can understand why. But it's not really - I just don't trust peoples advce unless I know first hand that it's worth taking. Morticia may well be a great zumba teacher (or whatever it is that she does, I'm not even sure!) but I've never actually met her, she hasn't provided any scientific basis for what she's said, that goes against what I know to be true. So why when she tells me that all the other PTs that I've dealt with now and in the past are wrong, should I just roll over and say "oh yeah, you must be right then". You know it just possible, that she could be wrong!
I've said this before -just because someone has a qualification, doesn't mean they know it all, nor does it mean they are incapable of making mistakes.
I may be outspoken, I may 'appear' to be arrogant. But if I'm wrong then I say I am, which is something not many people will do. But I'm not going to think I'm wrng just because someone on a forum that I don't actually know, and have never been trained by, says I am. That would be the really stupid thing to do.
Hopefully Morticia won't be offended by that. It's not personal. But she seemed so desperate to prove I was wrong in what I said, yet the only evidence was her 'money back if it doesn't work' policy. Oh yeah - and saying I obviously don't know anything because I'm fat and she's skinny. I know lots of skinny people - doesn't mean they know everything about weightloss and fitness.
People can think what they like of me. I don't really care. I'm always there for people, I'm always the first to help someone in need (as I'm sure many of the members on here will testify to). People assume I don't listen just because I don't agree. It's not that, it's just I don't trust anyone unless I know they are qualified to advise me.
Anyway, rant over - I'm off to the gym for a run. And no - I won't be eating first! ;D
Pack it in SF, you are really starting to irritate me now. >:(
BB
Morticia is a PT and a great one at that - I have joined the gym where she works. She is a great inspiration and very knowledgeable ... I, (in my opinion) would listen to any advice she offered.Quote:
Originally Posted by Squashed_Fly
Oh Chriiiisst. You are told. Is VERY rare for BB to get annoyed!Quote:
Originally Posted by Blackbonnie
I'd drop it SF.
so let me get this straight - you speak to people and look at research, and then take the first person's info/first data you read as gospel and write off any subsequent information as incorrect unless they prove to you?Quote:
Originally Posted by Squashed_Fly
Geez
LEAVE IT!
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You cannot attack someone on the knowledge they have gained from qualifications when the knowledge you have gained is from people you have spoken to and from personal research. :o
Would you rather go to a doctor who has 'qualifications' or a 'doctor' who has listened to a few people and has done a bit of research??!!
I'm not attacking that. I'm sure Dab'z and Morticia are very professional and extremely knowledgeable.Quote:
Originally Posted by rosie
This pointless arguement is dragging on and going around in circles. As SF has been told to put a sock in it it seems very wrong for Dabz to then continue the arguement.
I think this thread has reached the end of it's life and should be stopped.
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Originally Posted by Tina
Hey SF.......you really are a good salesperson ........ once you're told something then thats it...you will not accept other peoples points of view etc....and try to convert everyone to your way of thinking......hehe.....ever thought of becoming a door to door religious salesman.....watch out cos they may find out how good at believing everything you're told and try to enrol you hehe........not being funny but you aren't always right bud
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Beamer… as a salesman (can’t bring myself to use “salesperson”) for many, many years I need to contradict you (even thought I love you lots) :-*
A person who is good at listening to what others say, a person who has empathy, a person who is open to other views, experience and knowledge is called a GOOD Salesperson.
A person who thinks they know everything, a person who won’t listen and respect to other peoples experience or views and a person who has no empathy and just keeps spouting out the same old stuff is called a COCK.
You do meet the occasional person like the above in low level sales positions, but they never go anywhere.
I employ one of the most effective salesmen I know and if you met him at the pub you would just think what a nice quiet friendly bloke he was, nothing like the caricatures you get on the telly.
Re SF, I don’t know why you all get so worked up about him, it doesn’t matter how many people try to help him or give him the benefit of their experience he will always know best - it’s just the way he’s made and he can’t help it, some people are just born that way !
Yours chillaxed
Gerry :)
PS. Re your last post Jon, think "very wrong man Dabz" can write what he likes on his forum - I would ;D
I'm not attacking that. I'm sure Dab'z and Morticia are very professional and extremely knowledgeable.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jon_W
This pointless arguement is dragging on and going around in circles. As SF has been told to put a sock in it it seems very wrong for Dabz to then continue the arguement.
I think this thread has reached the end of it's life and should be stopped.[/quote]
Ahh but it's my forums so I can do what I want :P :D ;D :-*
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Originally Posted by Dennis_Sinanan
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Prehaps that's my problem on wet roads.... not enough ballast.
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Originally Posted by monday21
The difference betwenn them and me being that I guarantee results or your money back, so, unlike you, I put my money where my mouth is. Also, I'm slim and you're not, so I'll stick to my methods if it's all the same to you ;)[/quote]
Slim and beautiful too :D :-*
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Awwwww, I knew you were my favourite for a reason :-*
Morticia is a PT and a great one at that - I have joined the gym where she works. She is a great inspiration and very knowledgeable ... I, (in my opinion) would listen to any advice she offered.Quote:
Originally Posted by Honda_Star
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Thank you!
“A person who is good at listening to what others say, a person who has empathy, a person who is open to other views, experience and knowledge is called a GOOD Salesperson.”
Gerry, I’m making a general point - I don’t wish to come across as being antagonistic and it certainly is not my intention to stir up another can of worms. 8-) However, in my personal experience most sales reps who call me at home don’t appear to be very good listeners – even my repeated polite words making it clear that I have no desire to purchase their product, rarely deflects them from their well rehearsed sales pitch. I suppose, like every walk of life there are good and bad salespeople. Unfortunately, there are too many companies who adopt ruthless tactics in order to maximise sales, which tarnishes the image of the profession. Perhaps more sales reps should take a leaf out of your book Gerry. [smiley=thumbsup.gif]
Yeah, to be fair, with a 6% body fat, he looks like he doesn't know what he's talking about....Quote:
Originally Posted by Squashed_Fly
Nor any of the other studies that disagree with what you've said. Including the 2 stone I've lost so far...
We must all be wrong?
I'll send you through some of the research into this. Sounds like it could be worth you reading it if you're training people. The science makes for interesting reading.
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Really, there is science involved, I never knew!
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Originally Posted by Squashed_Fly
But she seemed so desperate to prove I was wrong in what I said[/quote]
Wrong again. I just don't want anyone here to read it, think you're right and follow your jibba jabba. And I don't need to prove you're wrong, you're wrong.Period.
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Originally Posted by Squashed_Fly
Oh yeah - and saying I obviously don't know anything because I'm fat and she's skinny. I know lots of skinny people - doesn't mean they know everything about weightloss and fitness.
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I follow my methods, am slim and fit, which means my method works. The same cannot be said about whatever training regime you follow.
it's just I don't trust anyone unless I know they are qualified to advise me. [/quote]Quote:
Originally Posted by Squashed_Fly
And you're qualified to advise us ::)
Totally agree Ken, but what we were talking about were "good" sales people, not people who flog Dyson's, Double glazing or Financial Services door to door !Quote:
Originally Posted by monday21
My experience of good ones are that they usually sell business to business or high value goods. You can't land a contact to supply stuff to Airports or the MoD (as we do) by just talking over people or spouting from a crib sheet.
I know a few really cracking people who sell industrial chemicals, very expensive boats (wish we did) and top end cars, all are warm, friendly "listeners" and nothing like the loud know-it-alls you sometimes meet.
I suppose, as in all things, there's a large range out there.
Cheers
G
Too true Gerry. I'm up seeing one of my customers who is a large airport on Friday, and we have a good laugh about some of the cold calls & emails she gets. And those are B2B!Quote:
Originally Posted by Gerry
I can't believe sometimes how some of the sales people I've competed against for business in the past, have ever thought they would stand a chance with the attititudes they've had. Not that anyone here would probably believe it, but when it comes to customers I have 3 things that I live by. Listen, Dress Smart, and Be On Time! Our company has costomers such as BSkyB, RSPCA etc so you would think that in that marketplace, those would be simple rules to follow, yet so many fail to grasp those simple concepts!
You only get one chance to make a first impression, and it's formed within the 1st 30 seconds of meeting someone.
Whats B2B? im not a salesperson but we have alot of reps come to see us selling various things,the ines who succeed are the guys or girls who you can have a crack with and more importantly not fake and full of ****, ;)
Business2Business :)
aaah thanksQuote:
Originally Posted by Dabz
Never a truer word SF ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Squashed_Fly
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Emphasis on MEETING, as opposed to reading someones thoughts on a forum ;D
I might seem like an arrogant wanker at times, but I've got a sense of humour and a thick skin. 2 things you need in sales! Plus, I'm not all bad. Just need to engage brain sometimes before using fingers.... :D
must not respond... :-X
Why? seems to be a very diplomatic thread so far ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by Blackbonnie
Go on... unleash your inner deamon..... [smiley=evil.gif]Quote:
Originally Posted by Blackbonnie
Every one else has had their tu'pennies worth here.
Go on... unleash your inner deamon..... [smiley=evil.gif]Quote:
Originally Posted by Jon_W
Every one else has had their tu'pennies worth here.[/quote]
I don't feel qualified to comment as I only have 23 years experience of high tech International Sales and Distribution without a qualification of any kind to my name. Made it to Company Director and got bought out by Apple though......... ;D ;D