As with everything that's wrong with the world, stupidity is the problem.
Stop stupid people from owning dogs, guns, cars, motorbikes, and most importantly, stop them from breeding and you'll find the world will soon become a very nice place.
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As with everything that's wrong with the world, stupidity is the problem.
Stop stupid people from owning dogs, guns, cars, motorbikes, and most importantly, stop them from breeding and you'll find the world will soon become a very nice place.
Nooj, you failed to mention stupid owners of WMD's.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nooj
It appears former US president George Bush shares your take on stupid people: “It would be a mistake for the United States Senate to allow any kind of human cloning to come out of that chamber.” ;D
"Mirror mirror on the wall, who's the most stupid of them all?" ;)
Nooj, it appears former US president George Bush shares your take on stupid people: “It would be a mistake for the United States Senate to allow any kind of human cloning to come out of that chamber.” ;DQuote:
Originally Posted by monday21
"Mirror mirror on the wall, who's the most stupid of them all?" ;)[/quote]
You are talking about the man who once said "The trouble with the French, is that they have no word for entrepeneur"....
And, "All our imports come from abroad." Bush is living proof that the working class don't have a monopoly on stupidity ;)
We could clog the forum with Bush gaffes. ;D
I have four cats...... :D
Shouldn't need to be a law telling people to do this, it's good manners to keep you dog on a lead when people you don't know are around. There are too many laws in this country already. Parks are public spaces and everyone should be free to enjoy them, most dog owners are tax and rate payers.
There are bars around the playgrounds to keep the dogs out. isn't that enough for them? (joking...)
Funny isn't it, we have no problem legislating to force people to keep dogs under control but the same thing can't be done with out of control children. I'm culpable for the behaviour of my dog (which I should be) but if I had some skanking dope smoking 14 year old (I don't know how I've avoided this, living in Melksham) who terrorised the neighbours me and the child would be untouchable
Sorry if none of this makes any sense, been in the shelter in the park drinking White Lightning with my dog
I also have a cat/kitten .....hes so well trained that he will only use his litter tray to do his 'business' :P :P (and will ask to come in to go to the toilet !!)
Sadly, Wiltshire Builders, that now puts me on your 'hated' list.....But I hasten to add, I shall not be getting rid of my cat to be 'liked' be you hehehehe......how odd that you feel the need to dislike someone because of something they have in their life !! :o 8-) ;D :D
I dislike spiders and snakes but dont feel the need to 'hate' their owners because of it.
Have you forgotten the useless dog owners that allow their dogs to foul the footpaths and grass areas without picking it up?????? They do still exist...I should know !!! :P :P :P :P
Ooooh, I love a good debate!
Life is such a wonderfully rich tapestry of colours....
It's horses that are the real problem........
I'll get my coat and suitcase and hopefully see you all again if not I might be found under the patio :) :) :)
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Originally Posted by monday21
Dan, a hypothetical scenario for you to consider:
Just imagine that you fell head-over-heels for the girl of your dreams. You are lying next to her after consummating your relationship and she informs you that she owns a cat.
Would you tell her, ‘it was over’ because you don’t like her pussy?
:P :o ;D[/quote]
Been there Ken......Twice!
Q. I was told the other day when out walking my dog that it is now the law that my non-working dog must be on a lead when on a walk in the country.
A. Possibly...a little known law was introduced in 2010 in England so that such dogs must be on leads on "open access land" from 1st March to 31st July. "Open access land" is indicated on Ordnance Survey maps.
I found this this morning, maybe of interest to some.
House cats use litter trays and never go outside...that's fine if that's what you want from your pet but most cats grow up, stop using a litter tray and then go outside to **** all over the place.. :-?
Yes there are some awful dog owners who don't clear up after their dogs, I have an open line to council connect because I complain about it so much but the vast majority of responsible dog owners wouldn't dream of leaving dog mess in public...How many cat owners follow thier beloved felines around to clear up after their cats have defecated all over neighbours gardens?? :-?
This topic is a massive can of worms and we could all argue/debate and put forward our pros and cons for both sides........Love or hate dogs or cats, they both have bad things going for them. I just see the cat **** over my garden, in my flower borders and in my lawn mower when I miss it in the grass, it's foul and that's why I hate cats [smiley=laugh.gif] I don't own one, never want to and yet cat owners 'expect' me to clear up after them...if I owned a dog would I expect someone else to pick up my dog mess?? NO.
Did anyone see the programme on BBC1 last night about the West Mids Police’s Dangerous Dogs Team? Very interesting, interspersed with news footage and interviews with the family of a 4 year-old from Merseyside who died after being savaged by a pit bull-type dog – they were all very upset, yet none of them blamed themselves for allowing the dog anywhere near a small child. Plenty of (sob) “Oh he’d never done anything like that before” (sob, snivel) – do they need a warning FFS?
The remainder of the programme was dedicated to the DDS relieving various tattooed f*ckwits (© Billy Connolly) of their illegal “fighting breed” dogs.
I have a cat and have no idea of where he has a turnout – he has a catflap and comes and goes where and when he pleases. It’s not like I can follow him around at 3am is it? If he dumps on the neighbours’ lawns I’m very sorry about it, but short of keeping him indoors 24/7 there’s nothing I can do about it. At least most cats bury theirs, if it’s out in the open it’s normally associated with territory marking – dogs piss over everything in sight and how often do our WB dog-owning community apologise to anyone for that? At least they’re obliged to clear up after them nowadays, though some dog owners still see the streets and parks as a free latrine for their animal. If I find out the address of the owner who lets their dog crap on my front lawn now and then, they’ll get it back, probably through the post... >:( (and before anyone says “how do you know it’s not a cat?” – there aren’t any cats in our neighbourhood capable of passing turds that size!)
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Originally Posted by roxychick
If my Cat did a Doo Doo in your garden Rox, i know he would do the right thing and bury it. I have never seen another Cat bury there poo and believe my cat to be polite and considerate.
Cat Lover Mike ;)
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Originally Posted by Mikkie1986
If my Cat did a Doo Doo in your garden Rox, i know he would do the right thing and bury it. I have never seen another Cat bury [s]there[/s] thier poo and believe my cat to be polite and considerate.
Cat Lover Mike ;)
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;D ;D cheers Mikkie ;D ;D The other thing that drives me mad is tom cat wee...that stinks!
Dog Lover Rox ;)
Yeah but Tom cats dont use a shovel!!
;D ;D ;D ;D :D :D :D :D ;) ;) ;)
shoot them all! ;D ;D
>:( :( >:( Freddo now lost!
ah but the Wham bar has still got my name on it Rookie! ;) ;D ;D
Do you want to bet that Freddo we get told off and instructed to get back on topic! ;D
Roxy x
I dont like Topics... Prefer a Snickers... ;D
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Originally Posted by Scotty
I’m no expert on the subject and didn’t know there was a difference between cat’s p*ss and Dog’s p*ss. :P ;D
I think it’s unfortunate that this thread appears to have turned in to a cat versus dog debate. As Roxy rightly said, there are pros and cons associated with both felines and canines. :-/ :)
Have to agree with you Ken re cats v dogs.
Pros: Dogs
Cons: Cats
G ;)
Lmao
What about the pets V humans question ??
Now that is a can of worms............don't you think hehe !!
Hmmm answers on a postcard (If you can fit the pro's and con's on one)
I shall leave that one open for debate
(and it is still on topic I do believe)
I prefer Marathons (Snickers) too!Quote:
Originally Posted by Mikkie1986
- God that shows my age.
Dogs are pets. They have an owner/master who is responsible for them, and can be insured against causing any damage.
Cats are classed as wild animals. You can't get them insured against public damage, and you can't be held liable for any damage that they cause. They have a provider, but not an owner/keeper.
I only found this out recently when I changed Rossi's & Rolo's insurance recently....
Was it Eddie Izzard who was credited with saying "dogs have owners, cats have staff"? Sums it up really... I provide him with food and shelter and a warm lap to occupy the moment I sit down anywhere. His previous staff said that he's not a lap-cat... Bollocks isn't he, never known one like it ::)
He keeps me amused though, but he don't take no ****, no way - ask Basil... ;D ;D ;D
Iam a member of staff.... Dont staff get paid.....
So let me get this right i am actually a slave to my Cats....
Thought so...
That was a close one, thought id been missing wages.... :P
I have to agree. :oQuote:
Originally Posted by Scotty
Em and I have two Cats, they own the house, we just keep them fed and amused. They have very different personallities, one of them is quite devoted, sits on your lap, comes when called wants attention. The other..... does at it pleases.... and lets you know when it is not amused.
Great animals!!!
If your neighbour allowed their snake to go where it pleased and it ate your cat and took a dump on your lawn, you would be entitled to be pissed off. It's no different.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tina
It's all about being responsible for your pets and respecting other people around you.
To a cat owner it's inconceivable that somebody would have a problem with a cat, and that's my point.
If you like something that's fine, but why should everyone else have to suffer as a result.
I know I said I hate cat people, but there's always an exception to the rule ;)
The reason it's inconceivable, is because we're not responsible for what they do. No more than we are responsible if a wild bird craps on your windscreen. As wild animals, they do what, and go where they like. They don't need us to feed them, if they go off on their own, they will catch their own food and find their own water.Quote:
Originally Posted by dan_geoghegan
Dogs however (in the main), are completely useless without humans to tell them what to do and to look after them.
The reason it's inconceivable, is because we're not responsible for what they do. No more than we are responsible if a wild bird craps on your windscreen. As wild animals, they do what, and go where they like. They don't need us to feed them, if they go off on their own, they will catch their own food and find their own water.Quote:
Originally Posted by Squashed_Fly
Dogs however (in the main), are completely useless without humans to tell them what to do and to look after them. [/quote]
So humans invented dogs then? I think you'll find that a dog would quickly turn feral if it had no food supply. Nature vs nuture. Nature always wins!
Animal Welfare Act 2006Quote:
Originally Posted by Squashed_Fly
This Act is aimed at preventing cruelty, and promoting and ensuring
the welfare of animals.
The Act applies to both domestic and feral cats. In addition to
cruelty offences, the Act places an obligation on owners and those
responsible for cats (eg cattery owners) to ensure that the welfare
needs of their cats are met. These include the need:
for a suitable environment (place to live)
•
for a suitable diet
•
to exhibit normal behaviour patterns
•
to be housed with, or apart from, other animals
•
to be protected from pain, suffering, injury and disease
•
The penalties for committing an offence of cruelty, or for failing to
provide for an animal’s welfare needs, include a ban from owning
animals, a fine of up to £20,000 or, in some cases, a six-month
prison sentence.
The Act also increases the minimum age at which anyone can buy an
animal to 16.
Theft Act 1968
Cats are regarded in law as the ‘property’ of their owner. The theft
of a cat is treated as an offence under the Act in the same way as
theft of any other property.
A cat that is lost or has strayed is generally regarded as the property
of the original owner. It is therefore necessary to make all reasonable
endeavours to locate the original owner whenever possible.
Criminal Damage Act 1971
Because the law regards cats as property, an offence may be
committed under this Act if a person, without lawful excuse, kills or
injures a cat belonging to another person.
Animal Act 1971 and the Common Law Duty of Care
The law in these respects
recognises that, by their nature, cats are less likely than some other
animals to cause injury to people or damage to property.
However, cat owners do have a general duty at law to take
reasonable care to ensure that their cats do not cause injury to
people or damage to property. In practice, cases involving damage
to property or injury to people by cats are few and far between.
Planning and Environmental Law
Environmental Health Departments have powers under
the Environmental Protection Act, 1990 in respect of nuisance or
hazards (eg fouling, smell and noise) caused as a result of too many
cats being kept at a single property.
If your neighbour allowed their snake to go where it pleased and it ate your cat and took a dump on your lawn, you would be entitled to be pissed off. It's no different.Quote:
Originally Posted by dan_geoghegan
It's all about being responsible for your pets and respecting other people around you.
To a cat owner it's inconceivable that somebody would have a problem with a cat, and that's my point.
If you like something that's fine, but why should everyone else have to suffer as a result.
I know I said I hate cat people, but there's always an exception to the rule ;)
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hehehe....cool.....do you know what??
No matter how much we defend our own pets someone, somewhere wont like them....bit like children and adults I guess.... everyone is different and surely we should accept another's choices and respect them....I believe its called diversity hehe
But I still think there should be marked areas for unleashed dogs just like there are marked areas for loose children ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Tina, a huge chunk of the 97.5 per cent of non-bike road users don't have alot of time for the other 2.5 per cent - US. I say "Tough Sh*t" ;D ;)
We are becoming so over populated (”Britain's population could soar to 90million over the next 50 years.”) on this little island that general tolerance levels have suffered as a result. :(
Save that one for another day. ::)
Animal Welfare Act 2006Quote:
Originally Posted by monday21
This Act is aimed at preventing cruelty, and promoting and ensuring
the welfare of animals.
The Act applies to both domestic and feral cats. In addition to
cruelty offences, the Act places an obligation on owners and those
responsible for cats (eg cattery owners) to ensure that the welfare
needs of their cats are met. These include the need:
for a suitable environment (place to live)
•
for a suitable diet
•
to exhibit normal behaviour patterns
•
to be housed with, or apart from, other animals
•
to be protected from pain, suffering, injury and disease
•
The penalties for committing an offence of cruelty, or for failing to
provide for an animal’s welfare needs, include a ban from owning
animals, a fine of up to £20,000 or, in some cases, a six-month
prison sentence.
The Act also increases the minimum age at which anyone can buy an
animal to 16.
Theft Act 1968
Cats are regarded in law as the ‘property’ of their owner. The theft
of a cat is treated as an offence under the Act in the same way as
theft of any other property.
A cat that is lost or has strayed is generally regarded as the property
of the original owner. It is therefore necessary to make all reasonable
endeavours to locate the original owner whenever possible.
Criminal Damage Act 1971
Because the law regards cats as property, an offence may be
committed under this Act if a person, without lawful excuse, kills or
injures a cat belonging to another person.
Animal Act 1971 and the Common Law Duty of Care
The law in these respects
recognises that, by their nature, cats are less likely than some other
animals to cause injury to people or damage to property.
However, cat owners do have a general duty at law to take
reasonable care to ensure that their cats do not cause injury to
people or damage to property. In practice, cases involving damage
to property or injury to people by cats are few and far between.
Planning and Environmental Law
Environmental Health Departments have powers under
the Environmental Protection Act, 1990 in respect of nuisance or
hazards (eg fouling, smell and noise) caused as a result of too many
cats being kept at a single property.
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Hmmm, interesting. That contradicts what the insurance people & the vets told me. I might go back to the insurers and quote that to see if they will give us the same cover as the dog. Thanks ken
Businesses Aidan - I'll say no more :-X
Out of interest aiden how much is it to insure your lab?
Think we pay about £16 a month. It's already been worth it - he picked up Giardia (a parasite infection) as a pup that would have cost us over £1000 if he wasn't insured. After seeing how much our king charles would have cost when I was growing up if they weren't insured, I always keep the animals insured now. The cat is insured for vets probs, but no public liability.
Pure bred dogs often have problems when they get older, as sadly, there are a lot of unscrupulous breeders out there, who over many centuries have inbred their dogs. Especially when you see these horrible little yappy miniature things. That's why the King Charles almost all suffer with heart problems when they get older. These issues are now prominent in the whole breed, regardless of how good your perticular breeder is. Labs often get hip dysplacia which is why they have to be hip scored before they can breed (if you want them kennel club registered).
Rolo is 5th gen pedigree, which means we have his complete family tree going back 5 generations so we can see there has been no family breeding in that time, and means his hips are fine.
I pay about 18 pounds to insure my Lab with Virgin Pet Insurance, however I have taken out their most expensive package so there are cheaper options out there but you don't get as much cover. I'm not going to be a tightwad when it comes to the health and well being of my hound.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rossio
I have probably already claimed back more than what I have paid due to Archie having to have an lump removed from his back leg. An operation that cost over 600 pounds. Apart from the 80 pound excess Virgin paid up in full with no probs whatsoever.