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Davehsw
02-09-12, 04:05 PM
Someone asked me today what size bike or moped they could ride?
They do not have a bike licence but passed their car licence in 1975.
Does it change if they do a CBT?
silly_simon
02-09-12, 04:25 PM
As I understand it mate they can ride a 50cc on car licence without L-plates or CBT
Anything over that upto a max of 125cc must have L-plates and I think a CBT because of the need for the learner plates :)
cerruti
02-09-12, 07:19 PM
Im pretty sure you need L plates for the 50cc - anything above that needs a CBT. Probably worth asking that Able fellow though.
Check their licence. My other half has A on his licence but has never passed or taken his bike test. I asked Mr Able and he tells me it means a provisional A licence - he can't ride anything currently without doing a CBT afaik.
silly_simon
02-09-12, 09:37 PM
If there is catagory P on their licence that is FULL entitlement for a Moped (not exceeding 50cc) therefore no need for CBT unless they wish to do so.
Anything else would require it and further tests etc to become a full motorcycle licence holder :) :)
http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Motoring/DriverLicensing/WhatCanYouDriveAndYourObligations/DG_4022547
A on a licence means full motorcycle
Unless on the paperpart the A is under provisional entitlement and then max 50cc without CBT etc...
Davehsw
02-09-12, 09:54 PM
What if he does a CBT?
From memory - my provisional license for bikes entitled me to ride anything upto 125 cc as long as I displayed L plates (I have held my full car license since 1983)
If I wanted to progress above 125cc with L plates I had to do
1. CBT
2. Motorbike theory test
3. Module 1 & 2
I think that having a pre 1997 license gives you the above entitlements
If in any doubt check the DVLA website - it has all the info you will need.
They can ride a 50cc moped on a car licence automatically with no L Plates (younger licence holders have to do a CBT to 'activate' it).
Anything over this needs a CBT and they will be a learner on a provisional licence.
I had to check all this out before going on holiday once ::)
Mark_Able
03-09-12, 08:41 PM
If you need confirmation still, Silly Simon is right. If he passed his car test prior to Feb 2001, he automatically got a category P (moped) licence as well. Moped is defined as being up to 50cc, with a maximum design speed not exceeding 30mph. To ride a 125cc bike, they must complete a CBT which is then valid for two years. :)
Davehsw
03-09-12, 08:42 PM
Even with the new rules next January?
Mark_Able
03-09-12, 08:55 PM
Yep, no change there. The changes only affect the size of bike and age of candidate who is taking their test. CBT will remain the same. :P
Blackandchrome
04-09-12, 12:51 PM
My licence was issued in '78 and is the original paper type. I have considered replacing with the new type but have refrained due to the stories of "motorcycle" being ommited on the replacement document.
Its kinda nice hanging on to the 'olde' type too.
All the codes on it are a bit confusing as well! :(
Cheaper to keep the old one as well. The make you update the new ones every 10 years and pay for the privilege >:(
My licence was issued in '78 and is the original paper type. I have considered replacing with the new type but have refrained due to the stories of "motorcycle" being ommited on the replacement document.
Its kinda nice hanging on to the 'olde' type too.
All the codes on it are a bit confusing as well! :(
I have the same, issue year as well. However, I will at some point have to get mine changed for a new address and have heard the same issues in the past concerning the motorcycle entitlement disappearing. I think I will get some sort of legalised copy of the original made before I send it off just in case. It will be a shame - its nice to have the old paper version.
My licence was issued in '78 and is the original paper type. I have considered replacing with the new type but have refrained due to the stories of "motorcycle" being ommited on the replacement document.
Its kinda nice hanging on to the 'olde' type too.
All the codes on it are a bit confusing as well! :(
I have the same, issue year as well. However, I will at some point have to get mine changed for a new address and have heard the same issues in the past concerning the motorcycle entitlement disappearing. I think I will get some sort of legalised copy of the original made before I send it off just in case. It will be a shame - its nice to have the old paper version.
Mine was a paper licence from 1974 !!.. Recently sent it off to get LGV Class 2 provisional put on it. Before sending it off, I phoned DVLA, as I had also heard of bike entitlements disappearing when the photo licence issued.
DVLA told me that if your full bike entitlement is on their system under your driving licence number, then there is no fear of the entitlement being omitted from the new photo licence, as they issue new licences from the classes noted on their system for your licence number.
Mine came back and sure enough my full bike entitlement from 1991 was shown.
So phone DVLA first to check that you bike entitlement is on their system and then all should be fine. [smiley=thumbsup.gif]
Thanks ..Ade. I have just called DVLA and after a bit of a shock when told I had a restricted licence :o they relented after 10 minutes of keeping me on hold that I did indeed hold a full Cat A licence. Its nice to also be able to drive a 7.5 tonner and a mini bus carrying up to 16 persons :) After that I'm still not sure I trust them so might go for "I have lost my licence" trick and keep the old one just in case.
would your Beemer move if you restricted it? :o
i renewed my photo and my A2 entitlement was missing even though it was a photocard that was being updated, quarter of an hour on the phone and a new one was issued, will always check first now before renewing as it can be a pain otherwise.
if you report the licence as lost your'll have to replace it and if the new one turns up without the bike entitlement you may find yourself stuck when they update your records? :-/
would your Beemer move if you restricted it? :o
:-/
Now that is an interesting question although I have heard there is a restriction kit available for the 1200GS so there are people around who do it. Can't say I would like to ride the 285Kg Bavarian Battleship with only 33bhp or whatever is the limit! ;D
barely be enough power to operate the horns would it? :o
My licence was issued in '78 and is the original paper type. I have considered replacing with the new type but have refrained due to the stories of "motorcycle" being ommited on the replacement document.
Its kinda nice hanging on to the 'olde' type too.
All the codes on it are a bit confusing as well! :(
My Uncle did his online and had no problems. Kept his paper lisence until the new one appeared so he had proof.
As to the moped entitlement, looked into this a while back and found that pre 97 lisences had the moped on them (50cc) and a provisional motorcycle. Anything bigger (up to 125cc) and it's a CBT. Would advise a Cbt whatever if he hasnt ridden for a while or at all.
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