Bike or Rider

[onfire23]

Gixer Gixer NO its not the bike its the rider!

On the road not really too sure if it matters what make your 600 or litre bike is in its class. Is it really down to the skills of the rider?

No offence to Gixer riders Lol!

[GixerBoy]

Gixers bring out the best in a rider.......... 8-)

[R1chie]

Gixers bring out the best in a rider.......... 8-)


zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz ;D

[onfire23]

Best what?

[Dabz]

agree that it's mainly down to the rider...

[GixerBoy]

Best what?

You're see on Sunday my little knee down novice! ;)

[Scott_W]

IMO it's definitely the rider. However, the Suzuki's just look better! ;D

[R1chie]

IMO it's definitely the rider. However, the Suzuki's just look better! ;D


certainly does.......................in my mirrors 8-)

[JamesD]

Pretty much all down to the rider i think...

I once read an article where Sean Emmett took on a confident road rider who had a few trackdays under his belt (on a closed track session). Sean beat the guy who was riding the current Fireblade on an Suzuki GS500 (DAS bike) by miles, he then went round the track on an Aprilla RS125 (road spec) and also beat the guys time.

Rider skill makes the difference to times, makes me laugh the guys who come into my Dad's shop and ask for the limiter to be removed from ZX-12's and the like....doubt they ever get near 180mph on the track.

[GixerBoy]

IMO it's definitely the rider. However, the Suzuki's just look better! ;D


certainly does.......................in my mirrors 8-)

Ha ha ha.......Mate,you should be a comedien,no really,cus' you make I laugh alot! ;D ;D ;D

[onfire23]

Best what?

You're see on Sunday my little knee down novice! ;)

Thanks for that, guess I'll need a little more than dutch courage! :'(

[JamesHockley]

It's all about showing off! Having seen the police on Sunday ride the socks of their Pans I totaly agree, how they get that much bike to do what do scares me silly"

[R1chie]

IMO it's definitely the rider. However, the Suzuki's just look better! ;D


certainly does.......................in my mirrors 8-)

Ha ha ha.......Mate,you should be a comedien,no really,cus' you make I laugh alot! ;D ;D ;D


yeah........you're right

the only thing i can see in my mirrors are my elbows ::)

[onfire23]

No disrespect but I did see a green Ninja rider in my mirrors last Sat afternoon and that is where he stayed..Lol!

[R1chie]

No disrespect but I did see a green Ninja rider in my mirrors last Sat afternoon and that is where he stayed..Lol!

parked up at the garage doesn't count mate ;)

[GixerBoy]

No disrespect but I did see a green Ninja rider in my mirrors last Sat afternoon and that is where he stayed..Lol!

And I thought you were Rich's friend......... :-/

[onfire23]

Sorry forgot to mention it was a 1 litre Ninja bike..must try harder.


I did talke a Ninja 1000 out last year for a test pilot ride. no comment!

[GixerBoy]

Ouch! ::)

[Gav]

100% down to the rider really...
Obvioulsy a good rider will be quicker on a better set up...

[rex_the_sprocket]

Bit of both - certain bikes can be easier to ride but there is no accounting for experience and ability. There are no shortage of riders who can use the throttle in a straight line but they are sh*ite when it comes to carrying the speed through corners - count the number of times you got over-excited in a group rideout and came out of a corner on the wrong side of the road.

Personally I like the grunt of larger bikes which allows you to roll on and off the throttle and get round cars/bikes/corners without all the drama of banging up and down the gear box.

Twins are better still cos you get huge engine braking and low down torque for laying down serious early accetleration out of corners

[GixerBoy]

Bit of both - certain bikes can be easier to ride but there is no accounting for experience and ability. There are no shortage of riders who can use the throttle in a straight line but they are sh*ite when it comes to carrying the speed through corners - count the number of times you got over-excited in a group rideout and came out of a corner on the wrong side of the road.

Personally I like the grunt of larger bikes which allows you to roll on and off the throttle and get round cars/bikes/corners without all the drama of banging up and down the gear box.

Twins are better still cos you get huge engine braking and low down torque for laying down serious early accetleration out of corners

And Gixers!! ;)

[Sinz1000K3]

Gixer's>rest imho:P

[onfire23]

Not a great believer or anything deep.

But God, I believe God rides my bike, because if it was left up to me I would not slow down at junctions, and leave my Brains at home.

Sorry Officer it's the voices tell me to do it! Race Gixers

Lol!

[SkyJawa]

http://deephousepage.com/smilies/yawn.gif

[Scott_W]

Bit of both - certain bikes can be easier to ride but there is no accounting for experience and ability. There are no shortage of riders who can use the throttle in a straight line but they are sh*ite when it comes to carrying the speed through corners - count the number of times you got over-excited in a group rideout and came out of a corner on the wrong side of the road.

Personally I like the grunt of larger bikes which allows you to roll on and off the throttle and get round cars/bikes/corners without all the drama of banging up and down the gear box.

I have to agree with these thoughts - however with mine I do have to use the gearbox a bit more than say the Aprillia of Rex, but when I look down and see the needle flying around to 14k or so it does feel good! :)

[rex_the_sprocket]

Scott - if the needle on the prilla was at 14k then I would be receiving a very sharp pain in the groin as the rear piston flew through the seat (and its a big one). Max power is somewhere around 10k, max torque around 8k....max pleasure all across the revs

[onfire23]

Must admit miss my Firestorm for cornering.

[GixerBoy]

Just as a comparison Rex,My Gixer,max power 11k,max torque 8k.
Won't qoute the dyno figures,you're only cry........ ;D ;)

[Toecutter]

Very true Gixerboy!

[rex_the_sprocket]

Just as a comparison Rex,My Gixer,max power 11k,max torque 8k.
Won't qoute the dyno figures,you're only cry........ ;D ;)
Maybe so but I can use all of my feeble 127bhp, and top end is pointless except at Donnington, Silverstone and the Revitt straight at Snetterton.

[GixerBoy]

C'mon Rex,I said no crying!! ::) ;D ;)

[rex_the_sprocket]

C'mon Rex,I said no crying!! ::) ;D ;)
If I was ever co-erced back onto a jap bike it would be a Gixer 750

[GixerBoy]

Hmmmmm,yes.......The best allrounder........SCOTT!! :D ;)

[onfire23]

Just as a comparison Rex,My Gixer,max power 11k,max torque 8k.
Won't qoute the dyno figures,you're only cry........ ;D ;)
Maybe so but I can use all of my feeble 127bhp, and top end is pointless except at Donnington, Silverstone and the Revitt straight at Snetterton.

Hmm thats why you may well need a Fireblade
8-)

[GixerBoy]

Saying that,I would love one as a track bike! :)

[GixerBoy]

Just as a comparison Rex,My Gixer,max power 11k,max torque 8k.
Won't qoute the dyno figures,you're only cry........ ;D ;)
Maybe so but I can use all of my feeble 127bhp, and top end is pointless except at Donnington, Silverstone and the Revitt straight at Snetterton.

Hmm thats why you may well need a Fireblade
8-)

Don't be silly O/F, he would go for the Gixer750......Quicker than a Blade anyway! ;D ;D

[rex_the_sprocket]

Just as a comparison Rex,My Gixer,max power 11k,max torque 8k.
Won't qoute the dyno figures,you're only cry........ ;D ;)
Maybe so but I can use all of my feeble 127bhp, and top end is pointless except at Donnington, Silverstone and the Revitt straight at Snetterton.

Hmm thats why you may well need a Fireblade
8-)
Fireblades are great for touring...................... ;D

[onfire23]

Just as a comparison Rex,My Gixer,max power 11k,max torque 8k.
Won't qoute the dyno figures,you're only cry........ ;D ;)
Maybe so but I can use all of my feeble 127bhp, and top end is pointless except at Donnington, Silverstone and the Revitt straight at Snetterton.

Hmm thats why you may well need a Fireblade
8-)

Don't be silly O/F, he would go for the Gixer750......Quicker than a Blade anyway! ;D ;D


O/F ?

[GixerBoy]

Pan,Firebade,same thing!! ;D

[onfire23]

Just as a comparison Rex,My Gixer,max power 11k,max torque 8k.
Won't qoute the dyno figures,you're only cry........ ;D ;)
Maybe so but I can use all of my feeble 127bhp, and top end is pointless except at Donnington, Silverstone and the Revitt straight at Snetterton.

Hmm thats why you may well need a Fireblade
8-)

Don't be silly O/F, he would go for the Gixer750......Quicker than a Blade anyway! ;D ;D


O/F ?

750 ;D ;D ;D

[GixerBoy]

O/F.......OnFire........Muppet! ::)

[onfire23]

O/F.......OnFire........Muppet! ::)


Mr Kipplings?

[Scott_W]

Hmmmmm,yes.......The best allrounder........SCOTT!! :D ;)

It is when you're not riding with any Gixer thou riders! ;)

[onfire23]

Counter Steering is when you are not riding with Gixer boys.

[GixerBoy]

Hmmmmm,yes.......The best allrounder........SCOTT!! :D ;)

It is when you're not riding with any Gixer thou riders! ;)

Bingo! :D

[GixerBoy]

Counter Steering is when you are not riding with Gixer boys.

What are you blathering on about now OF??? ::) :D

[onfire23]

Hmmmmm,yes.......The best allrounder........SCOTT!! :D ;)

It is when you're not riding with any Gixer thou riders! ;)

Bingo! :D


Just new riding a Gixer was a Black Art...Lol! :-/

[GixerBoy]

OnFire,Have you been out practicing in readiness for Sunday......? :-/ ;)

[onfire23]

Hmmmmm,yes.......The best allrounder........SCOTT!! :D ;)

It is when you're not riding with any Gixer thou riders! ;)

Bingo! :D


Just knew riding a Gixer was a Black Art...Lol! :-/

[onfire23]

OnFire,Have you been out practicing in readiness for Sunday......? :-/ ;)

Not yet, really scared. Going out tonight and following... If you here of some twat on a Black blade still registered as a Tri-colour on the news.

Going around Highworth or lechlade roundabout with stabilizers. using Mr Kipplings apple pies as sliders.
:'(

[GixerBoy]

Mate,don't be scared,you won't come off,promise! ::) ;)

[onfire23]

Mate,don't be scared,you won't come off,promise! ::) ;)

Unless someone dumps their Diesel... will all end up in :'(

[GixerBoy]

oh,dear.......Theres no hope for you matey....... :-[

[onfire23]

Could always buy a BMW with ABS?

[Snowy]

If you buy a BMW with ABS you will have plenty to hope for.

[onfire23]

If you buy a BMW with ABS you will have plenty to hope for.


Thanks for that, problem is might end up using those cyclinder heads as sliders, after Sunday :'(

[GixerBoy]

If you buy a BMW with ABS you will have plenty to hope for.


Thanks for that, problem is might end up using those cyclinder heads as sliders, after Sunday :'(

OF,your such a wuss! ;D ;)

[Snowy]

Don't have that problem with a K bike, but I take your point - 500miles in a day yes, track day, no.

[onfire23]

Don't mind as longas its someone elses pistons.

So are we on for Sunday? or are new a knee- down virgin?

[rex_the_sprocket]

Don't mind as longas its someone elses pistons.

So are we on for Sunday? or are new a knee- down virgin?


R u coming out on Saturday to the Bath & wells show? We could have a play then...............

[onfire23]

Unfortuantly I am unable to make it. Appreciate the offer.

[onfire23]

Don't mind as longas its someone elses pistons.

So are we on for Sunday? or are new a knee- down virgin?



So are we on for Sunday ?? :o

http://www.netfit.co.uk/stretching_cool_down.htm

[GixerBoy]

Don't mind as longas its someone elses pistons.

So are we on for Sunday? or are new a knee- down virgin?



So are we on for Sunday ?? :o

http://www.netfit.co.uk/stretching_cool_down.htm


Yes mate but you won't have to worry about any of that stretching malarky!
Do you live in Swindon?

[Sinz1000K3]

I have met OF, was changing his tyres due to the farmyard creatures soiling the edges:D
Whats this sunday ride you off on?

[Sinz1000K3]

And just for you OF, you dont need to get ya knee down, professional riders use the knee to gauge how much more ground clerance they have before the bike reaches its limit..or in extreem cases..keep it off the ground:P
Many a fast biker never touch the road with said body part:P

[GixerBoy]

And just for you OF, you dont need to get ya knee down, professional riders use the knee to gauge how much more ground clerance they have before the bike reaches its limit..or in extreem cases..keep it off the ground:P
Many a fast biker never touch the road with said body part:P

Your right of course but the knee down is a right of passage for many and OF has asked me for a few pointers,gonna be out on the 361 on Sunday if your about.......

[onfire23]

Don't mind as longas its someone elses pistons.

So are we on for Sunday? or are new a knee- down virgin?



So are we on for Sunday ?? :o

http://www.netfit.co.uk/stretching_cool_down.htm

Yep Live in West Swindon for past 8 tyres, as you will find out roundabouts phobia is my only issue, think picked the wrong town to live in .. Lol!

No problem keeping up ;)


Yes mate but you won't have to worry about any of that stretching malarky!
Do you live in Swindon?

[onfire23]

I have met OF, was changing his tyres due to the farmyard creatures soiling the edges:D
Whats this sunday ride you off on?

Gixerboy's kneedown experience, free lessons at Highworth Roundabout I think! 8-)

[GixerBoy]

I have met OF, was changing his tyres due to the farmyard creatures soiling the edges:D
Whats this sunday ride you off on?

Gixerboy's kneedown experience, free lessons at Highworth Roundabout I think! 8-)

Free??????? :D

[onfire23]

Okay I'll bring a pk of Mr Kipplings along & a letter from my Mum, hope that surfices ;)

[GixerBoy]

Mr.Kiplings,lovely! :D
Where are you OF?

[GixerBoy]

Sorry,just spotted it,West Swindon?
What time you wanna meet,how about Walmart carpark?

[onfire23]

Yep Asda-Walmart (priory vale) would be good.

Any time on Sunday from 10:00 am onwards, :) to fit in with your plans.

[GixerBoy]

Can't make that early bud,out on the pop Sat night for my birthday drink.
Think other people wanna come so shall we say 1.00pm?

[onfire23]

Can't make that early bud,out on the pop Sat night for my birthday drink.
Think other people wanna come so shall we say 1.00pm?


Yelp an audience!!

Yes 1:00pm 8-)

[GixerBoy]

Kool! 8-)

[rex_the_sprocket]

Can't make that early bud,out on the pop Sat night for my birthday drink.
Think other people wanna come so shall we say 1.00pm?


Yelp an audience!!

Yes 1:00pm 8-)

Me me me - Providing I get a pass from her indoors (and I am not brain dead from over indulging the night before).

I will fit the onboard video to provide proof positive that Tim gets his knee down............ ::)

[Mac]

LMFAO at this thread...
Dont panic guys...I'm sure Dion can rustle up some women (lots of) on saturday night and hand them pom poms and cheerleading outfits to stand on the RB...

[onfire23]

Can't make that early bud,out on the pop Sat night for my birthday drink.
Think other people wanna come so shall we say 1.00pm?


Yelp an audience!!

Yes 1:00pm 8-)

Me me me - Providing I get a pass from her indoors (and I am not brain dead from over indulging the night before).

I will fit the onboard video to provide proof positive that Tim gets his knee down............ ::)


If I get my virgin knee scrappers touching the deck without dropping the bike I'll buy all that turn up a drink! WHY did I bring this upon myself :'(

[GixerBoy]

Altogether now ONFIRE,ONFIRE,ONFIRE......YEAAAAAAAAA! ;D

[GixerBoy]

LMFAO at this thread...
Dont panic guys...I'm sure Dion can rustle up some women (lots of) on saturday night and hand them pom poms and cheerleading outfits to stand on the RB...

Thats a very good idea mate....... 8-)

[rex_the_sprocket]

If I get my virgin knee scrappers touching the deck without dropping the bike I'll buy all that turn up a drink! WHY did I bring this upon myself :'(

Better pray for rain then

[Mac]

[/quote]
If I get my virgin knee scrappers touching the deck without dropping the bike I'll buy all that turn up a drink! WHY did I bring this upon myself :'([/quote]


Would be hysterical if like 500 bikers turned up...shall we turn this into a sponsored charity event ??

No pressure OF... u go son....:D

[rex_the_sprocket]

We could run a book on how many laps of Highworth Roundabout it take before Tim pops his cherry

my guess is 4

[Scott_W]

5 :D

[rex_the_sprocket]

£1.00 a bet, winners share the kitty.

1 lap
2 laps
3 laps
4 laps - Rex
5 laps - Scott
6 laps
Never

The knee slider needs to show evidence of contact, and falling off doesn't count.

[GixerBoy]

£1.00 a bet, winners share the kitty.

1 lap
2 laps
3 laps
4 laps - Rex
5 laps - Scott
6 laps
Never

The knee slider needs to show evidence of contact, and falling off doesn't count.

I don't know what his experience is but if its none its gonna be in the 100's not singles!! ;D ;D ;D

[rex_the_sprocket]

What's yer bid then GB - a good teacher should have him grinding his slider after a couple of attempts ;)

[GixerBoy]

What's yer bid then GB - a good teacher should have him grinding his slider after a couple of attempts ;)

I did teach a GIRL how to get her knee down in 2 hours but she's a nutter,also clocked her at 155 on her old P reg 600F...... :o
Like Mac said OF,no pressure.......... ;)

[rex_the_sprocket]

What's yer bid then GB - a good teacher should have him grinding his slider after a couple of attempts ;)

I did teach a GIRL how to get her knee down in 2 hours but she's a nutter,also clocked her at 155 on her old P reg 600F...... :o
Like Mac said OF,no pressure.......... ;)
2 hours? Blimey after circulating a roundabout for that long you would end up with a triangular tyre.

[Sinz1000K3]

Mine are square..will that help?:D

[GixerBoy]

What's yer bid then GB - a good teacher should have him grinding his slider after a couple of attempts ;)

I did teach a GIRL how to get her knee down in 2 hours but she's a nutter,also clocked her at 155 on her old P reg 600F...... :o
Like Mac said OF,no pressure.......... ;)
2 hours? Blimey after circulating a roundabout for that long you would end up with a triangular tyre.

Duh,not 2 hours straight dum dum! ::)

[Mac]

I'd go dizzy...lol

[onfire23]

What's yer bid then GB - a good teacher should have him grinding his slider after a couple of attempts ;)

I did teach a GIRL how to get her knee down in 2 hours but she's a nutter,also clocked her at 155 on her old P reg 600F...... :o
Like Mac said OF,no pressure.......... ;)
2 hours? Blimey after circulating a roundabout for that long you would end up with a triangular tyre.

Duh,not 2 hours straight dum dum! ::)

Hmm not too sure sweating just thinking about it! Went out with Vic Vfr ..tonight Pewsey Tidworth hungerford Ogbourne Swindon. Not many roundabout's Phew! :P

[onfire23]

What's yer bid then GB - a good teacher should have him grinding his slider after a couple of attempts ;)

I did teach a GIRL how to get her knee down in 2 hours but she's a nutter,also clocked her at 155 on her old P reg 600F...... :o
Like Mac said OF,no pressure.......... ;)
2 hours? Blimey after circulating a roundabout for that long you would end up with a triangular tyre.

Duh,not 2 hours straight dum dum! ::)


Advice from my big broth, yep he can touch down Lol

To get your Knee down safely you need to be shown how by someone you know and trust, otherwise you won't have the confidence in believing there instructions!

You need to be relaxed, and have a very loose body. You must also take your time and only expect to touch down a fraction after 10 - 15 lap's of the round about, the more and more you practice the closer you get to touching, you are never as far over as you think!.

Word of warning, if you are not comfortable with it 'don't try'

Take care

Jon ;)

[rex_the_sprocket]

First time I did it I wasn't even trying............flicking across a clear roundabout...............right knee out as usual........carrying quite a bit of speed..............on my way to work ...................

ssssccccrrrraaawwwppp...............what the feck was that

I find you need to look awell head, right arse cheek off the seat, counter steering (pushing on the right bar), nice and smooth.............

Too many people reach for the ground going too slowly..........if you correctly positioned on the bike, and you are no wobbling around too slowly then it will happen.

Getting your left knee down is harder unless you can find a deserted roundabout on a commercial estate :-/

[onfire23]

First time I did it I wasn't even trying............flicking across a clear roundabout...............right knee out as usual........carrying quite a bit of speed..............on my way to work ...................

ssssccccrrrraaawwwppp...............what the feck was that

I find you need to look awell head, right arse cheek off the seat, counter steering (pushing on the right bar), nice and smooth.............

Too many people reach for the ground going too slowly..........if you correctly positioned on the bike, and you are no wobbling around too slowly then it will happen.

Getting your left knee down is harder unless you can find a deserted roundabout on a commercial estate :-/

Thats were I am going wrong, need to countersteer...should be natural hey :-/