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Roxy
15-01-10, 05:13 PM
I need a new exhaust for the new toy as the one thats on there now is HUGE and UGLY!

As you all know I know nothing about bikes except I get on and ride! so would be grateful if anyone has any recommendations.

Cheers guys

roxy [smiley=thumbsup.gif]

Scotty
15-01-10, 05:41 PM
New toy? Erm, not sure if I've missed a bit of gossip, but what bike do you have now? :-?

BB
15-01-10, 06:20 PM
Got it then? Better post some piccies! ;)

BB

Davey
15-01-10, 07:45 PM
hmmmmm huge and ugly exhaust......Bandit by any chance?

Geordie Stu
15-01-10, 08:46 PM
Roxy Has & R6 now.

Depends on your budget Roxy.

Top of the range in my opinion is Akrapovic then closely followed by Mivv, Scorpion, Arrow.

Davey
15-01-10, 10:00 PM
What year R6 is it? The exhaust depends on what you want from it - some are looks, some are sound and others are a waste of money

R1chie
15-01-10, 10:30 PM
For what bike?

Arata FTMFW

Uber Dave
16-01-10, 02:03 PM
What year R6 is it? The exhaust depends on what you want from it - some are looks, some are sound and others are a waste of money

Its a 2007 model if my memory serves me correct from when she sent me some photos.

A nice carbon one will look sweet and go well with the black colour scheme Kirsty, as for recommendations I will leave those to people who know more than I do.

ONFIRE
16-01-10, 06:03 PM
What year R6 is it? The exhaust depends on what you want from it - some are looks, some are sound and others are a waste of money




Scorpion are generally good choice they look & sound great but the bike will run tad rich hardly noticeable a pc would sort that out.


IMHO .. Money would be well spent on Motorcycle Training [smiley=thumbsup.gif]

Davey
16-01-10, 06:12 PM
What year R6 is it? The exhaust depends on what you want from it - some are looks, some are sound and others are a waste of money




Scorpion are generally good choice they look & sound great but the bike will run tad rich hardly noticeable a pc would sort that out.


IMHO .. Money would be well spent on Motorcycle Training [smiley=thumbsup.gif]

+1 on that

finbar
16-01-10, 06:12 PM
I would say Akrapovic if you can afford. Scorpion british made and work very well at a fair price. Arrow (Italian) some of the early ones were filmsy, slightly cheaper than Akrapovics. Yoshimura# over priced, road models are heavy and crude in construction compared to top end stuff. Carbon Can Company, Uk made, cheap but very loud. Remus, Austrian, fair price, good build quality.

In Summary I would really only consider 1st Akropovic, 2nd Scorpion, 3rd jointly Arrow and Remus in that order [smiley=thumbsup.gif]

Note: # Yoshimura proper works/racing systems are brilliant things but these cost scary money! :'(

Roxy
16-01-10, 08:57 PM
What year R6 is it? The exhaust depends on what you want from it - some are looks, some are sound and others are a waste of money

Its a 2007 model if my memory serves me correct from when she sent me some photos.

A nice carbon one will look sweet and go well with the black colour scheme Kirsty, as for recommendations I will leave those to people who know more than I do.


thanks for the recommendations guys..I will look into it and do a bit of research now I know what to look for...well that and pick a few brains along the way.

All I know is I want something that is not too noisy but sounds sweet. Has to go with the bike too. I don't want to be pulled over every 5 minutes cos I am making too much flipping noise >:(

roxy :)

Roxy
16-01-10, 08:58 PM
What year R6 is it? The exhaust depends on what you want from it - some are looks, some are sound and others are a waste of money




Scorpion are generally good choice they look & sound great but the bike will run tad rich hardly noticeable a pc would sort that out.


IMHO .. Money would be well spent on Motorcycle Training [smiley=thumbsup.gif]


is that a dig?

Davey
16-01-10, 09:57 PM
What year R6 is it? The exhaust depends on what you want from it - some are looks, some are sound and others are a waste of money




Scorpion are generally good choice they look & sound great but the bike will run tad rich hardly noticeable a pc would sort that out.


IMHO .. Money would be well spent on Motorcycle Training [smiley=thumbsup.gif]


is that a dig?

Not from me and doubt it from Tim - I see too many people spending to make a bike perform bettr/ look pretty/ make noise and such like - but could always look at training and improvement first - I've yet to meet a rider that doesn't need to practice/ learn and improve - also been fortunate to meet some of the best riders in the world like Rossi, Biaggi, Byrne, Haga and many more [smiley=thumbsup.gif]

But back to your question if you want it to look pretty only you know what you think is pretty sod anyone else's thoughts! If its for noise - racefit, akro, yoshi. If its for performance.....forget it see previous notes its not required as sure you won't notice the 2hp difference (if that much!) and if you want performace can think of other improvements that are cheaper

Roxy
16-01-10, 10:39 PM
I am not some crazy lunatic who constantly rides around by the seat of my pants at ridiculous speeds. I still class myself as a newbie, I will always be learning, practicing and improving my skills but thats not the issue here..all I asked for was some advice on which exhausts are better because the one that is on the bike is horrid IMO...not whether I should spend my money on motorcycle training.

Surely there is nothing wrong with me wanting my bike to look pretty?? after all I paid for it therefore I want it to look nice...it's all personal preference. It's my money and if I chose to spend it on a new exhaust I will but thanks for the advice.

roxy

ONFIRE
16-01-10, 10:40 PM
What year R6 is it? The exhaust depends on what you want from it - some are looks, some are sound and others are a waste of money




Scorpion are generally good choice they look & sound great but the bike will run tad rich hardly noticeable a pc would sort that out.


IMHO .. Money would be well spent on Motorcycle Training [smiley=thumbsup.gif]


is that a dig?



Like Stu said 'Certainly not' I am too nice for that :-*

Just friendly advice... One can never have enough motorcycle training! It might Dig anyone out of a corner one day for sure.

Back to subject of Cans I should know I have been there before.. they sound great & look good but like said from experience mess up your fueling bikes starts to feel glitchy then you end up buying a pc then extra expense of a Dyno... where does it end certainly will not make you any quicker or safer on the road.

IMHO like said I would recommend a day at the track preferably with an instructor whether its with CSSB or Hottrax SBS e.tc. And I can thank a certain x WB for this(think its called listen to Words of Wisdom) Go the T -shirt now and I am thankful for it 8-)

Anyway get some pic's post of the 6 Rox [smiley=thumbsup.gif]

Gerry
17-01-10, 09:20 AM
Try this link Roxy.

R6 Forum, this thread says they have 40 sound clips of different exhausts on R6's (though not tried it myself yet).

http://www.r6.com/forums/showthread.php?t=152

Just a thought...

G

ONFIRE
17-01-10, 11:52 AM
Some ideas on Blinging up the R6 if you ike that sort of thing :D :D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WtPxyQdV7gE

Uber Dave
17-01-10, 04:24 PM
Some ideas on Blinging up the R6 if you ike that sort of thing :D :D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WtPxyQdV7gE




I actually watched that only two days ago, I have to say it does look damn good!

ONFIRE
17-01-10, 08:37 PM
Yeah stumbled across this a while ago myself the...
Laser - X-treme Exhaust GP Style slip-on looks okay. But tad pricey at 240 notes or so.

Kevinb
18-01-10, 09:01 AM
Akropovic. As with everything in life. You get what you pay for.
I've got them on the MT-01. Great sound (baffles in or out) and great quality. Not quite sure if I would buy them now though as the price has gone up to £1058 with the trim. :o and thats just for the silencers.

Davey
18-01-10, 09:05 AM
Akropovic. As with everything in life. You get what you pay for.




Not always - we extensivly tested exhausts a few years back and the more expensive did not always ive the better power gains, nor were they always the best quality.

I know someone that can make exact copies of the exhausts for a fraction of the price to a higher standard (he builds exhausts and fabrication of engine parts for race cars so knows his stuff) but like everything good he is busy all the time [smiley=thumbsup.gif]

ONFIRE
18-01-10, 01:51 PM
Akropovic. As with everything in life. You get what you pay for.




Not always - we extensivly tested exhausts a few years back and the more expensive did not always ive the better power gains, nor were they always the best quality.

I know someone that can make exact copies of the exhausts for a fraction of the price to a higher standard (he builds exhausts and fabrication of engine parts for race cars so knows his stuff) but like everything good he is busy all the time [smiley=thumbsup.gif]



But does he have the overheads of Akro? :-/

Slightly off tangent...But I Think GW's are in a very unique position were they can pass on their discounts & not their overheads to the customer.. Win win situation for all [smiley=thumbsup.gif]

Davey
18-01-10, 07:53 PM
Akropovic. As with everything in life. You get what you pay for.




Not always - we extensivly tested exhausts a few years back and the more expensive did not always ive the better power gains, nor were they always the best quality.

I know someone that can make exact copies of the exhausts for a fraction of the price to a higher standard (he builds exhausts and fabrication of engine parts for race cars so knows his stuff) but like everything good he is busy all the time [smiley=thumbsup.gif]



But does he have the overheads of Akro? :-/

Slightly off tangent...But I Think GW's are in a very unique position were they can pass on their discounts & not their overheads to the customer.. Win win situation for all [smiley=thumbsup.gif]

On a line for equipment purchased to output etc he will have massive overheads - been set up a few years and having to purchase specialist equipment etc Bet he doesn't make the same profit per unit as Akro, yoshi etc

ONFIRE
19-01-10, 01:41 AM
Akropovic. As with everything in life. You get what you pay for.




Not always - we extensivly tested exhausts a few years back and the more expensive did not always ive the better power gains, nor were they always the best quality.

I know someone that can make exact copies of the exhausts for a fraction of the price to a higher standard (he builds exhausts and fabrication of engine parts for race cars so knows his stuff) but like everything good he is busy all the time [smiley=thumbsup.gif]



But does he have the overheads of Akro? :-/

Slightly off tangent...But I Think GW's are in a very unique position were they can pass on their discounts & not their overheads to the customer.. Win win situation for all [smiley=thumbsup.gif]

On a line for equipment purchased to output etc he will have massive overheads - been set up a few years and having to purchase specialist equipment etc Bet he doesn't make the same profit per unit as Akro, yoshi etc



:-? Yeah but don't we love our brand names ;)

Davey
19-01-10, 11:47 AM
:-? Yeah but don't we love our brand names ;)

Nope :D Unless the brand is Stella Artois [smiley=thumbsup.gif]

Kevinb
19-01-10, 01:25 PM
Love our brands! ;)
I'm going out Friday night for a Blackthorn or two, some Craven A's, home to a Jacobs Creek and more Craven A's and finally upstairs to my Silent night.

matty999
19-01-10, 06:40 PM
i would get termignoni (but i am bias).

They are something a bit different and sound amazing! [smiley=thumbsup.gif]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I5JSLBjVljs

Jon_W
20-01-10, 07:56 AM
I am going to be conteversial...

...and say keep the original.

Many of the modern sports bikes are now tuned to the exhaust much better than even a few years ago. By changing the exhaust you risk upsetting the balance fractionally and making the bike slower than original.

If you do want a tasty exhaust I'm sure Yamaha offer aftermarket ones. This will be tuned to the engine much better than any slip on can and is guarenteed to fit. But it will cost....

R1chie
20-01-10, 09:02 AM
Let us all know what you decide you're going to get Roxy so we can scour the t'interweb for the best deal.

Roxy
20-01-10, 11:07 AM
Ah back to the topic of thread...exhaust!

Richie I will let you know..still looking and doing bit of research but one thing is for sure the original is going! (sorry Jon W!)

roxy [smiley=thumbsup.gif]

Davey
20-01-10, 12:12 PM
Ah back to the topic of thread...exhaust!

Richie I will let you know..still looking and doing bit of research but one thing is for sure the original is going! (sorry Jon W!)

roxy [smiley=thumbsup.gif]

well as you never answered my question for what you are looking for from the exhaust of course we'll loosely go off topic! So...... What do you want looks, performance, sound etc etc blah blah blah What budget do you have? Lots of things you didn't tell us (along with the bike someone else did!)

Davey
20-01-10, 12:15 PM
I am not some crazy lunatic who constantly rides around by the seat of my pants at ridiculous speeds. I still class myself as a newbie, I will always be learning, practicing and improving my skills but thats not the issue here..all I asked for was some advice on which exhausts are better because the one that is on the bike is horrid IMO...not whether I should spend my money on motorcycle training.

Surely there is nothing wrong with me wanting my bike to look pretty?? after all I paid for it therefore I want it to look nice...it's all personal preference. It's my money and if I chose to spend it on a new exhaust I will but thanks for the advice.

roxy



apologies - My mistake you did say you wanted a pretty looking can :-[ Only you can decide that then - get looking at places like demon tweeks where they have a selection online to view or look at R6 forum and see what pretty exhausts they have [smiley=thumbsup.gif]

ONFIRE
20-01-10, 12:58 PM
i would get termignoni (but i am bias).

They are something a bit different and sound amazing! [smiley=thumbsup.gif]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I5JSLBjVljs

Here that Hunting sound & its even got a PC111 perhaps a little more fine tuning. Gotta admit they d make a nice popping sound on the down acceleration ... [smiley=2vrolijk_08.gif]

Mark_Able
20-01-10, 08:41 PM
All I'd say Roxy is don't go for cheap just cos it looks good. I once fitted an ART can to a Thundercat. Ran like a bag of crap with a massive flat spot. Too bleeding noisey too. I'd always go for an established company that makes race pipes, not loud pipes. If you look at the cans the British Supersport boys use, you can't go far wrong. My faves are Akropovic, Yoshi, Micron. All proper race pipes (which improves response and power). [smiley=thumbsup.gif]

R1chie
20-01-10, 10:27 PM
What model R6 is this Rox?

I saw someone mention a 07 model but wasn't confirmed.

Where's the piccy's eh?

ONFIRE
20-01-10, 11:58 PM
http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o136/poshboy_photos/stuff/kitchen.jpg

;D ;D

Davey
21-01-10, 08:19 AM
All I'd say Roxy is don't go for cheap just cos it looks good. I once fitted an ART can to a Thundercat. Ran like a bag of crap with a massive flat spot. Too bleeding noisey too. I'd always go for an established company that makes race pipes, not loud pipes. If you look at the cans the British Supersport boys use, you can't go far wrong. My faves are Akropovic, Yoshi, Micron. All proper race pipes (which improves response and power). [smiley=thumbsup.gif]

May struggle with Micron unless going 2nd hand as they went bust - GW's bought thier stock and checked and none remaining. Plus practical isn't always the prettiest ;)

As for more expensive being better quality.....check out the can OF just sold! cracked Akro and I know tim looks after his stuff :-/

As I said before go for what you like. Also check out the scorpion street range and lazer did some nice ones for the R6 iirc [smiley=thumbsup.gif]

Roxy
21-01-10, 09:50 AM
What model R6 is this Rox?

I saw someone mention a 07 model but wasn't confirmed.

Where's the piccy's eh?


It's on an 07 plate, will put piccy's on when new can is on! ;)

roxy :)

ONFIRE
21-01-10, 05:25 PM
All I'd say Roxy is don't go for cheap just cos it looks good. I once fitted an ART can to a Thundercat. Ran like a bag of crap with a massive flat spot. Too bleeding noisey too. I'd always go for an established company that makes race pipes, not loud pipes. If you look at the cans the British Supersport boys use, you can't go far wrong. My faves are Akropovic, Yoshi, Micron. All proper race pipes (which improves response and power). [smiley=thumbsup.gif]

May struggle with Micron unless going 2nd hand as they went bust - GW's bought thier stock and checked and none remaining. Plus practical isn't always the prettiest ;)

As for more expensive being better quality.....check out the can OF just sold! cracked Akro and I know tim looks after his stuff :-/

As I said before go for what you like. Also check out the scorpion street range and lazer did some nice ones for the R6 iirc [smiley=thumbsup.gif]

Just hairline stress fracture, guy who bought (TM) Had the bracket welded for few euros...

This post is just got a tad boring keeping us all in suspenders ... seen one seen them all. :D :D

Better be a nice bit of kit worth the wait :-* :-*

8-)

Uber Dave
21-01-10, 05:46 PM
Better be a nice bit of kit worth the wait :-* :-*

8-)

It is a sweet looking bike, and having seen it I know exactly why she is waiting out for the different can as the stock one is bigger than my car nearly!

Roxy
21-01-10, 06:20 PM
Better be a nice bit of kit worth the wait :-* :-*

8-)

It is a sweet looking bike, and having seen it I know exactly why she is waiting out for the different can as the stock one is bigger than my car nearly!

Thanks dave ;)

and I never asked you lot to go dribbling on about everything and it's mother ::).. ask a simple question for a simple answer [smiley=happy.gif]..I thought girls were bad at chatting but you lot take the top step on the podium for it. pmsl :-* ;D :D [smiley=thumbsup.gif]

roxy

BB
21-01-10, 06:44 PM
and I never asked you lot to go dribbling on about everything and it's mother ::).. ask a simple question for a simple answer [smiley=happy.gif]..I thought girls were bad at chatting but you lot take the top step on the podium for it. pmsl :-* ;D :D [smiley=thumbsup.gif]

roxy

;D ;D ;D ;D

BB

R1chie
21-01-10, 07:17 PM
What do we win? 8-)

Roxy
21-01-10, 07:22 PM
it's not the prize chick..it's the points! go rossi go for 2010!! ;)

Uber Dave
21-01-10, 07:31 PM
it's not the prize chick..it's the points! go rossi go for 2010!! ;)

Balls to that, Spies is going to win hands down. I have faith in him, so much so I stuck some money on him!

Anyway who is changing the topic now eh Kirsty!? :P

Roxy
21-01-10, 07:35 PM
ok ok I will stop! (go rossi go! ;))

end of topic!!!! ::)

Last Train
21-01-10, 07:42 PM
should've just bought a proper bike ....... ::)

Davey
21-01-10, 09:47 PM
and I never asked you lot to go dribbling on about everything and it's mother ::).. ask a simple question for a simple answer [smiley=happy.gif]..I thought girls were bad at chatting but you lot take the top step on the podium for it. pmsl :-* ;D :D [smiley=thumbsup.gif]

roxy

As stated before we only went off subject as you never bothered to answer our questions! So typical lady fashion of only supplying a fraction of the information required but expect a decent answer ::) You'll be glad to know it'll be the last I post on the subject, as too much going on at the moment so won't be about much! Enjoy your search [smiley=thumbsup.gif]

ONFIRE
21-01-10, 10:14 PM
http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o136/poshboy_photos/stuff/go.jpg

;D ;D

ONFIRE
21-01-10, 10:14 PM
and I never asked you lot to go dribbling on about everything and it's mother ::).. ask a simple question for a simple answer [smiley=happy.gif]..I thought girls were bad at chatting but you lot take the top step on the podium for it. pmsl :-* ;D :D [smiley=thumbsup.gif]

roxy

As stated before we only went off subject as you never bothered to answer our questions! So typical lady fashion of only supplying a fraction of the information required but expect a decent answer ::) You'll be glad to know it'll be the last I post on the subject, as too much going on at the moment so won't be about much! Enjoy your search [smiley=thumbsup.gif]

+1

Roxy
21-01-10, 10:34 PM
and I never asked you lot to go dribbling on about everything and it's mother ::).. ask a simple question for a simple answer [smiley=happy.gif]..I thought girls were bad at chatting but you lot take the top step on the podium for it. pmsl :-* ;D :D [smiley=thumbsup.gif]

roxy

As stated before we only went off subject as you never bothered to answer our questions! So typical lady fashion of only supplying a fraction of the information required but expect a decent answer ::) You'll be glad to know it'll be the last I post on the subject, as too much going on at the moment so won't be about much! Enjoy your search [smiley=thumbsup.gif]

umm questions of what bike and what year?...I think they were both answered on the 1st page of the thread by geordie stu and davel, no point in me repeating it if they did it for me. :-?

I have recommendations from people and am doing the research..thanks to all who have helped. [smiley=thumbsup.gif]

ONFIRE
21-01-10, 10:44 PM
Got it then? Better post some piccies! ;)

BB
+1 of the bike in question 8-)

Davey
21-01-10, 10:48 PM
As I am still on line I will reply as it made me laugh - personally if I was going to ask for advice for my own bike I'd have put it in the 1st post rather than needing people to ask and others reply wioth 'I think its...' ::)

that would have saved a load of the rubbish chat - and realistically it was all pointless as seem still nowhere nearer lol so a quick rundown to help

Akro - nice, expensive, not too loud in road state can be in race baffle out
Yoshi - see Akro
Scorpion cheaper than above some nice styles - not offensivly loud
Art - cheap, loud
Carbon Can Co - cheaper, nice looking, not too loud
Remus - bit cheaper than Akro, well built, nice look and sound
Micron - nice cans but went bust so may find a bargain
Racefit - nice looking cans but very loud
Lazer - similar price as Remus - nice looking not too loud
Termi - same as Yoshi but can be louder
Fuel - cheaper cans not too badly made not offensivly loud
Beowolf - some quirky shaped cans, nice sound not too loud cheap too

Well that'll start you somewhere - and I'm off

tata

ONFIRE
21-01-10, 10:49 PM
As I am still on line I will reply as it made me laugh - personally if I was going to ask for advice for my own bike I'd have put it in the 1st post rather than needing people to ask and others reply wioth 'I think its...' ::)

that would have saved a load of the rubbish chat - and realistically it was all pointless as seem still nowhere nearer lol so a quick rundown to help

Akro - nice, expensive, not too loud in road state can be in race baffle out
Yoshi - see Akro
Scorpion cheaper than above some nice styles - not offensivly loud
Art - cheap, loud
Carbon Can Co - cheaper, nice looking, not too loud
Remus - bit cheaper than Akro, well built, nice look and sound
Micron - nice cans but went bust so may find a bargain
Racefit - nice looking cans but very loud
Lazer - similar price as Remus - nice looking not too loud
Termi - same as Yoshi but can be louder
Fuel - cheaper cans not too badly made not offensivly loud
Beowolf - some quirky shaped cans, nice sound not too loud cheap too

Well that'll start you somewhere - and I'm off

tata

http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o136/poshboy_photos/stuff/go.jpg

Scotty
21-01-10, 10:56 PM
Roxy, if you follow Stu's list and check all their websites you'll find pics of the pipe for your bike (probably fitted on the bike)
To clarify, Akro = Akrapovic, Yoshi = Yoshimura and Termi = Termignoni
Once you've decided what you like, start scouring fleabay for a good 2nd hand one

Stu, you forgot Arrow ;)

ONFIRE
21-01-10, 10:59 PM
Roxy, if you follow Stu's list and check all their websites you'll find pics of the pipe for your bike (probably fitted on the bike)
To clarify, Akro = Akrapovic, Yoshi = Yoshimura and Termi = Termignoni
Once you've decided what you like, start scouring fleabay for a good 2nd hand one

Stu, you forgot Arrow ;)


And Blue Flame (are they still about?)

Davey
21-01-10, 11:01 PM
Roxy, if you follow Stu's list and check all their websites you'll find pics of the pipe for your bike (probably fitted on the bike)
To clarify, Akro = Akrapovic, Yoshi = Yoshimura and Termi = Termignoni
Once you've decided what you like, start scouring fleabay for a good 2nd hand one

Stu, you forgot Arrow ;)


Oh yeah Arrow and Blueflame- similar to Remus [smiley=thumbsup.gif]

Prob 1001 others but oh well its a start

ONFIRE
21-01-10, 11:02 PM
Roxy, if you follow Stu's list and check all their websites you'll find pics of the pipe for your bike (probably fitted on the bike)
To clarify, Akro = Akrapovic, Yoshi = Yoshimura and Termi = Termignoni
Once you've decided what you like, start scouring fleabay for a good 2nd hand one

Stu, you forgot Arrow ;)


Oh yeah Arrow and Blueflame- similar to Remus [smiley=thumbsup.gif]

Prob 1001 others but oh well its a start


Not forgetting Graves Motorsport ::)

Jon_W
22-01-10, 10:36 AM
Have you spoken to the dealer you bought the bike off?? I believe Yamaha have developed cans with Akraprovic... would seem a good place to start.

Good shout on Arrow... the Can's I saw looked very good.

I have a Scorpion. It's very good looking but the build isn't too hot (I'm on my 3rd replacement).

FJ_Biker
22-01-10, 04:55 PM
wow 5 pages now ;)

ONFIRE
28-01-10, 11:04 AM
5+ :D

http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o136/poshboy_photos/yamaha.jpg

Reasonable Zorst for the 6 :-/

http://motolegends.reproweb.co.uk/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=93&It emid=78

second thoughts its :-X
http://motolegends.reproweb.co.uk/index.php?page=shop.product_details&flypage=garden _flypage.tpl&product_id=1328&category_id=310&optio n=com_virtuemart&Itemid=112

::)