Damn Petrol

[Uber Dave]

Cost me £21 to fill my bike today, have it 18 months and in that time its gone from NEVER costing more than £15 to fill it to £6 more. And I never took it to the top this time either normally I brim the tank but I nearly threw up in my helmet when I saw £20 on the meter and stopped at a round £21.......

[Roxy]

OUTRAGEOUS....but worth it!!!!!!! ;D

[Mitch9128]

If we were French we'd be burning sheep, what is it about this nation that makes us bend over and take it???

[Squashed_Fly]

The need to get places?

[Mitch9128]

The need to get places?

You're happy at over 80p in VAT and excise duty then?

[redken1]

In a scene from John McGrath's play, The Cheviot, the stag, and the Black, Black Oil, an American oil tycoon performs a frenzied dance singing:

'Take your oil rigs by the score,
Drill a little well just a little off-shore,
Pipe that oil in from the sea,
Pipe those profits - home to me.'

Could not agree more Mitch - I'm on standby already to go -

Little man takes the pain, they must think we're all w*****s
No fat left on the bone, time up for the oil lords and bankers

[Squashed_Fly]

The need to get places?

You're happy at over 80p in VAT and excise duty then?

No, and if a nationwide protest was organised then i'd be involved. But 1 man won't change anything.

[Mitch9128]

The need to get places?

You're happy at over 80p in VAT and excise duty then?

No, and if a nationwide protest was organised then i'd be involved. But 1 man won't change anything.

Oh i dunno, look at history, one man changed lot's of it, Hitler for starters. It's got to start somewhere, how do you think these things start? Organisation.

[Chappers]

t'will be 150p/l before you know it.

dollar devaluation and QE =

http://rt2.e.prorealtime.com/ProRealTimeNew/tmp/img_12971979754528.gif

[redken1]

It was one man who initiated the last fuel protests

[Chappers]

was £85 to fill the barge today anyway :(

[redken1]

Global free market will always only benefit the few >:(

[Squashed_Fly]

Hitler had a lot of support. He was far from 1 man! Lol

I could refuse to buy any fuel. I can also tell the rest of the country to join me. But unless they do, it won't make a difference. We need the backing of the truckers like we had last time. They wield far more power than you or I

[redken1]

Unrest may not be that far away, I can sense tremors below the surface. Let's not forget that the day before Egypt erupted there was not a mention on the news of what was about to happen.

[NiteW4tcher]

i guess something has to be done......im running out of lube ;D


but realistaclly what can we do? the goverment will......as always do as they please.....line there pockets.


our arms get shorter and our pockets get deeper???


id love to kidnapp the pm and make him live in the real world. give him £250pw to live on

mortgage, bills, food, getting to and from work. love to see him do it

[Loops]

id love to kidnapp the pm and make him live in the real world. give him £250pw to live on

mortgage, bills, food, getting to and from work. love to see him do it

Oooo, I've always wanted to do that too - I'd have more respect for politicians if I knew they'd ever experienced living like a big chunk of the population do every day.

[Robf]

id love to kidnapp the pm and make him live in the real world. give him £250pw to live on

mortgage, bills, food, getting to and from work. love to see him do it

Oooo, I've always wanted to do that too - I'd have more respect for politicians if I knew they'd ever experienced living like a big chunk of the population do every day.

Sounds like a plan, now when to kidnap him...

[JohnS]

He'd only claim it back on expenses anyway!

[Robf]

He'd only claim it back on expenses anyway!
Too true

[Snowy]

Dreading filling up the GS tomorrow, will be over £40 >:(

[HensonA]

Dreading filling up the GS tomorrow, will be over £40 >:(
Yeah ... but you'll be riding it for weeks before another fill up !!!!! ;D ;D

[t1pper]

Hi, I run several trucks as part of my business, filled one truck to the brim today 850 litres @ £1.32.9 you do the maths.
Count the trucks on the wilts roads tomorrow goverment Kerrching!!! double Kerrrching !!!!!!!!

P.S Now you why everything is so expensive now as it has been transported by road at some point.

[Jon_W]

Dreading filling up the GS tomorrow, will be over £40 >:(

You need a different GS.... mine "only" costs £16 to fill.

[crewy]

Cant comment on the bike how much extra it costs to fill up as she has been of the road, but my volvo c70 i've owned for the last 10 months has gone from £72 to now £82 and that for 64 liters usually.

[Mitch9128]

Hi, I run several trucks as part of my business, filled one truck to the brim today 850 litres @ £1.32.9 you do the maths.
Count the trucks on the wilts roads tomorrow goverment Kerrching!!! double Kerrrching !!!!!!!!

You have my sympathy, crippling businesses like yours.

P.S Now you why everything is so expensive now as it has been transported by road at some point.

[Hunar]

vote Hunar

If we want a change in politics, we need to vote for it, or make mass protests like egypt.

We saw a positive result with the first round of fuel protests years ago, the government backed down very quickly, and fuel went below £1 again. Not long after that it crept back up to over a £1, and the protests started again, on a smaller scale and as I recall nothing happened, simply because opposition wasn't strong enough.

We have this problem because of apathy, everyone complains about it, but leaves it up to someone else to do something about it, or doesn't join in when someone does for fear they might get attention put on them. Divide and conquer, the government like it that way, they can do what they want knowing that people will complain but will not actively stop them.

At the last election 45% of the population didn't vote, I know I didn't, because there was no one I felt I could vote for, I wonder how many of the 45% felt the same or just couldn't be bothered, 'oh it's just politics, I have no time or interest in politics', well if you don't like the fuel prices, or the cuts, or some of the laws, then you should have an interest in politics. If there is no one you feel you can vote for, then stand yourself.

If you say you don't care about politics, then you really have no say about whats happening now, what direction you feel the country should take, if you don't like it, do something about it, if you won't, then I don't see how you can complain.

In this very thread there is people saying 'what can I do?' have you written to your MP? their rivals? the government? have you got together with others to challenge it? have you even tried to do anything about it? All the stuff happening in egypt was apparently started by one person, so when you ask what can one person do, well there you go. Getting women the vote was started by one person getting others to rally, the most important changes START because of one person.

How many people here would join me in blocking a fuel depot on a nice sunny day? how many would look out of the window and see cold and rain and go back to bed? Oh I am sure I would get a lot of verbal support, but how different would the number of actual protesters be on a sunny day and on a cold wet day?

If you want I will organise a ride and blockade of a fuel depot, how many will join me? I expect a high turn out if everyone disagree's with 80p per litre tax on their fuel.

[Mitch9128]

100% with you, count me in. Personally I don't think I'm articulate enough to organise this sort of thing, however the missus says I'm a thug, so I can supply the muscle ;). Let's do it.

[Ducatista]

Hunar - what't your proposal for where the lost revenue comes from?
The tax take goes on things like schools, hospitals, roads etc.
For his to be taken seiously there needs to be a properly costed proposal from where this money comes from.
As you know there are already massive cuts to public spending.
I am sure that the bankers would be a popular choice, but be aware that if the tax regime becomes too oppressive then the banks that put a lot of money into our economy will simply go elsewhere taking lots of business and personal tax income with them.
I'm not defending them by any stretch of the imagination but I am saying that I need to understand how this would be funded.

[Morticia]

Cost me £21 to fill my bike today, have it 18 months and in that time its gone from NEVER costing more than £15 to fill it to £6 more. And I never took it to the top this time either normally I brim the tank but I nearly threw up in my helmet when I saw £20 on the meter and stopped at a round £21.......



Same here! Filled the gixxer yesterday, gutted at the price jump. :(

[Hunar]

Lost revenue? how much revenue is wasted by government filling their pockets? or their associates pockets?

What's trident goign to cost us? I've seen figures that put it between 20 and 34 billion. Does anyone want it? I've not seen many people who want to go ahead with trident at all, let alone during a time of savage cuts.

As for the bankers, well the simple idea as I see it, is for the government to set up their own bank, it's obviously a very profitable business, and all the profits go back into the public purse and not into fat cat pockets, providing it's done properly (and for the record no I don't think any of the top 3 will do it properly).

The problem with the tax regime is that it allows people to offshore their business interests to avoid paying tax in this country, it also allows the richest peopel to offshore their money as well, so they don't have to pay tax. Change the law, and lower the business tax. Vodaphone got a way with not paying £6billion in tax's as the HMRC decided not to chase them for it as it would take to long as vodafone where dragging it out for as long as possible, so big business really just has to keep the argument going for long enough for the goverment to give up. By the same token all those people who now have a huge bill to pay due to a cock up AT HMRC will not be allowed to drag it out long enough for the goverment to stop chasing them and back down.

Business tax is very high in the UK, which is why so many companies offshore their business, I think we run at 20%, we lose alot of business to Ireland as they charge 12.5%, singapore charges 5%. If we lower the tax, we encourage business to set up here, and then bring all the rest of their money here as well, creating more jobs and more income for the population and as a result for government. Lord Green, who was put in charge of sorting out 'government wasted money' has avoided paying huge sums of TAX by living outside the UK, his wife also, they have avoided hundreds of millions of pounds of TAX on money they made out of this country, how about bringing these people to justice, or changing the rules so they can't avoid paying tax on money earnt from this country? the people David Cameron has put in charge of advising the government on UK business have offshored all or most (and have said they will offshore the rest) of their business interests to avoid paying tax, how about we sort that problem out rather than make the british tax payer fund their lavish lifestyles?

[Squashed_Fly]

I'm in! That's 4 of us - is that enough to stop all the tankers? :)

Should be with Mitch's muscle!

[Morticia]

The need to get places?

You're happy at over 80p in VAT and excise duty then?

No, and if a nationwide protest was organised then i'd be involved. But 1 man won't change anything.

Oh i dunno, look at history, one man changed lot's of it, Hitler for starters. It's got to start somewhere, how do you think these things start? Organisation.


I'm with you on this one. Let's revolt!!!

[Mitch9128]

Hunar, you may be onto something here, your 15 minutes of fame beckons. Perhaps start a new thread and sticky it?

[Squashed_Fly]

Let's revolt?

I've been revolting for a long time.... ;D

[ChrisJo]

I've been revolting for a long time.... ;D


I have heard it said of you ::)

[Mitch9128]

Let's revolt?

I've been revolting for a long time.... ;D
*groan* You were fed that line! ;)

[redken1]

Count me in Hunar. I took part in the last protests. I was press officer for The Scottish Socialist Party for a number of years and this role included organising campaigns/protests to achieve maximum publicity. If some of us are serious about making our voice heard, I am more than happy to assist in planning a strategy. In the meantime, Don't forget, 'Oak trees grow from small acorns.' [smiley=thumbsup.gif]

[6T]

iam in but were going to need a huge turnout to make it work :)

[Nooj]

After the last fuel protests didn't the dictatorship decree that any non-approved protest or blocking-of-roads kind of activity counted as a criminal act?

[redken1]

After the last fuel protests didn't the dictatorship decree that any non-approved protest or blocking-of-roads kind of activity counted as a criminal act?

You could be right Nooj. I think a similar law was in place in Egypt to prevent protestors taking to the streets. Difficult to see how it could be enforced – How do you arrest thousands of bikers, motorists and truck drivers who could claim that they were going about their daily business and got caught up in a convoy.

I recall an industrial dispute I was involved in. The work force took unofficial action and walked off the job. Subsequently, The Company initiated legal proceedings against the union, but it failed at the first hurdle.

When laws cease to have usefulness to society, they should be changed, not enforced. (Coretta Scott King)

[NiteW4tcher]

im in on the revolting name the place and date ill be there

[redken1]

I will scour the net and make some enquiries to try and gauge the mood on spiralling fuel prices. I think there would be public support for some form of action, but if we are to become involved in a protest we need to carry out important groundwork first in order to achieve maximum impact. Significant numbers, co-ordination and publicity on a local and national level are all key components to getting our message across.

May I suggest to those who have expressed a wish to participate in a protest, to check out haulage associations, motoring organisations etc, etc. All feedback welcome.

[Nooj]

I'd like to do something, as a new trader operating on a massively tight budget even a small rise in diesel prices can add a significant amount to my operating costs.

How about a rolling road block on a motorway like the protest for the M4 speed cameras that took place a while ago? Lanes 1 and 2 run at 50mph, only leaving lane 3 for overtaking. That cause quite a few miles of tail-backs and that was only going past Swindon.