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    Stupid one, are the tyre pressures ok???
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    High speed wobble

    Speed wobbles can occur whenever something starts a vibration that matches a resonant frequency of the wheels. A resonant frequency is one at which your motorcycle will vibrate very easily; a particular motorcycle may have multiple resonant frequencies. The starting point may be a bump in the road, a rough patch in the road, or some combination of these factors. Other potential contributing factors include the small torques resulting from wheel rotation and the tiny lateral oscillations that spinning wheels make if they're not aligned with absolute perfection.
    Your motorcycle will go through various "zones" of oscillatory stability and instability as it accelerates up to its highest speed. you might even compare this to musical notes or octaves of relative vibrational resonance.

    Steering dampers are made to help with this problem as the main damper ( you ) cannot always handle the correction of the vibrations.
    As this can be a fatal but also unavoidable occurrence, the best advice is to slow down. Even though the problem may go away with more speed, the best way to take the bike out of that particular resonance range is to back off.

    The tread of your tyres could also be a contributing factor, particularly the front one. different treads have different resonant properties.

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    In addition to above, get both wheels statically and dynamically balanced. It reduces wobble, increases road holding and reduces tyre wear and rider fatigue. Check forks and swing arm for correct operation. A lack of fork oil and too much side play in the swing arm are sources of vibration. Check panier box lids are fitting properly and are locked. Lid 'chatter' in the wind can be one of those resonances mentioned above that sets wobble off.
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    If your motorcycle is pulling a sidecar or has a handlebar-mounted fairing, this will increase the likelihood of a steering wobble under certain conditions. The wind wash from driving near a semi truck can also cause a steering wobble.
    Although many things can contribute to starting a wobble, they generally won't happen if your steering head bearings are properly maintained. Test your steering head bearings by accelerating to 50 mph or so on a straight, smooth road on a calm day with no oncoming traffic. Close the throttle and remove your hands from the handlebars. If your bike's steering seems to pick a direction and stick there, your steering head bearings are too tight. If there is any wobble at all, your steering head bearings are too loose.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bonnie850
    [quote author=pilninggas link=1311780594/6#6 date=1311788533]Do you have any luggage/ racks fitted?

    sometimes these will just unload the front-end enough or create unexpected aerodynamic forces to allow a wobble or oscillation.
    Yes, I do. Of course the problem is worse with loaded panniers attached, and presumably should be worse still with a pillion-passenger - but then surely then some of the extra overall weight will transfer to the front end, loading it sufficiently?[/quote]
    Maybe not, particularly if the centre of gravity of any lugage is above or to the rear of the rear axle and wheel centre-line. Luggage can also create yaw that tends to transfer weight off of the front wheel. My old krauser panniers are mahooosive and create a lot of drag, i can discern the yawing effect at speed [i get a slight wobble].
     
     

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    What sort of wobble is it - a shake or an unsettled 'twitching'?

    And if it's only dual carriage ways and motorways....do they have a lot of lorry traffic? And is it usually when you're in the inside lane?

    You might be wafting about in the tyre grooves...my car is terrible for that, it wanders all over the place, and I noticed the CBR was a bit twitchy along the M4 at the weekend...
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    Update: yesterday I ensured my cold tyre pressures were spot on, and then went for ride without panniers. Result was zero wobble on dual carriageway at a range of higher speeds, despite the usual disturbed airflow from trucks and other vehicles. Pleased to be able to rule out the small screen as the cause, or any other problems with wheel alignment or tyre bulging.

    I'll have to do another test with empty panniers on, to double-check that the original wobble was due to the heavy weight on the back of the bike, rather than just the panniers oscillating due to airflow.
     
     

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