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    It seems our glorious leaders in govt are considering applying current car VED taxation to motorcycles as they now have "figures"
    unless they are going to apply a completely different set of values to bike emissions (which would be discriminatory - but then when did that stop them) they may end up shooting themselves in the foot

    https://www.motorcyclenews.com/news/motorcycle-ved-co2/

    at the mo my bike costs me over 90 quid to tax as they charge by cc but if they apply the car based VED it will be exempt as most bikes would be i imagine
    i cant get an official figure but found this for mine

    https://www.ultimatespecs.com/motorc...blackbird-1999
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    Hmm, interesting. We don't pay anything for our Nissan car but pay plenty for the bikes
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    It would apply to new bikes after introduction
    VED changes are never applied retrospectively. I would have thought bikes will cost more per whatever measure than cars as cars can split that pollution between 4 or 5 people sharing.
     
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by WR6133 View Post
    It would apply to new bikes after introduction
    VED changes are never applied retrospectively. I would have thought bikes will cost more per whatever measure than cars as cars can split that pollution between 4 or 5 people sharing.
    You say that Chris and that is normally the case I agree but this paragraph is worrying -"
    "The other issue is bikes that do not have stated CO2 emissions from the manufacturers because they’re old enough that it wasn’t recorded.

    In that case, the bikes are likely be to placed in bands based on their engine size, which could see large displacement older models (some BMWs and Harleys for instance) with exorbitant year taxes."

    not much change in the way it is now at first glance but the undertone to me is that the rates per cc are going to rocket

    Admittedly nothing is concrete yet but I can feel a mugging coming on, looks like a demo outside parliament is due
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    Quote Originally Posted by Trev_P View Post
    You say that Chris and that is normally the case I agree but this paragraph is worrying -"
    "The other issue is bikes that do not have stated CO2 emissions from the manufacturers because they’re old enough that it wasn’t recorded.

    In that case, the bikes are likely be to placed in bands based on their engine size, which could see large displacement older models (some BMWs and Harleys for instance) with exorbitant year taxes."

    not much change in the way it is now at first glance but the undertone to me is that the rates per cc are going to rocket

    Admittedly nothing is concrete yet but I can feel a mugging coming on, looks like a demo outside parliament is due
    we won’t have to pay tax, insurance or anything soon what with the new plague taking over the world, have you not seen the walking dead?
     
     

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    Quote Originally Posted by Badger-Roy View Post
    we won’t have to pay tax, insurance or anything soon what with the new plague taking over the world, have you not seen the walking dead?
    Oh yes, they are already about - saw one walk straight out in the road in front of a push bike this morning, how the cyclist missed him I have no idea!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by BB View Post
    Oh yes, they are already about - saw one walk straight out in the road in front of a push bike this morning, how the cyclist missed him I have no idea!!
    Damn cyclists
     
     

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    Read the document the article linked too and this was a bit

    7. Are you aware of any unintentional perverse environmental incentives that
    have developed over time relating to VED on vehicles first registered prior to April
    2017? Do you think government should take any action relating to this?
     
     

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    MAG are looking into this too;

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    MAG prepares to engage on Vehicle Excise Duty plans

    MAG - Central Office via mag-uk-list <mag-uk-list@mag-uk.org>
    Mon 16/03/2020 10:58
    mag-uk-list@mag-uk.org

    News from the Motorcycle Action Group (MAG)
    MAG prepares to engage on Vehicle Excise Duty plans

    The Motorcycle Action Group, the UK’s leading riders rights
    organisation, has stated that it will be ensuring the voice of riders is
    fully heard by the Treasury as it considers plans for a major overhaul
    of Vehicle Excise Duty.

    On 11th March, HM Treasury fulfilled the Government commitment to
    publish a call for evidence seeking views on moving towards a more
    dynamic system which recognises smaller differences in carbon dioxide
    (CO2) emissions.

    This call for evidence seeks views on how the Government can use VED to
    further encourage the uptake of zero and ultra-low emissions cars, and
    reduce overall emissions from road transport, to both help meet its
    legally binding climate change targets and improve air quality. It also
    seeks views on the VED treatment of motorcycles.

    MAG’s Director of Communications & Public Affairs, Lembit Opik,
    commented “We are already seeking one-to-one meetings with ministers and
    senior officials at the Treasury to discuss the published plans. We
    feel that the case for motorcycles is very different to that for
    four-wheeled vehicles and thus needs very careful consideration. A
    two-way conversation is vital.”

    Colin Brown, Director of Campaigns & Political Engagement for MAG, said;
    “The current VED system is both confusing and lacking in balance. We
    look forward to the opportunity to engage with policy makers in a
    cooperative and productive manner. I believe that there is a potential
    solution that can be both elegant in its simplicity and take into
    account a wide range of issues in a fair, equitable manner. We will
    naturally respond in writing, but having a detailed discussion of our
    ideas will bring a better result. We will discuss our ideas at our
    forthcoming National Committee meeting and urge members to get in touch
    with their regional representatives with any thoughts, ideas and opinions”

    The full details of the call for evidence can be found at
    https://assets.publishing.service.go.../VED_final.pdf

    Contact MAG at 01926 844 064 or central-office@mag-uk.org
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    Quote Originally Posted by Badger-Roy View Post
    we won’t have to pay tax, insurance or anything soon what with the new plague taking over the world, have you not seen the walking dead?
    I used to work with some of them
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