Here they come

[Trev]

For sure not all of the people coming to the UK will be as desirable as we would like but if the influx from Romania and Bulgaria proves to be, on the whole, as positive an experience as with the Polish people who came here then bring it on. From the Polish pilots who stood beside us in WW2 through to the more recent newcomers looking to build a better life and, in turn add, to our economic prosperity it's as far from an invasion as I can imagine.
We have two Polish couples working with us in our business and they are a joy to know and work with, both have settled here, bought properties, pay their taxes and are bringing up their families with a strong work ethic and focus on being positive members of the community. Hopefully it will encourage a few more 'proper' English people to do the same and be less reliant on others sorting their life out for them.
If all else fails then we at least now have the option of upping sticks and making a fresh start in Romania or Bulgaria ; )

[Kevinb]

[QUOTE=Swanny;458066]I hear what you are saying and I understand what they are doing but I really don't like the way things are changing around me.
I'm posting these things as I grew up in an entirely different country to the one I live in today and it saddens me to see the way things are changing. They say if it wasn't for the men and women who fought in WW2 that we would all be speaking German now. Seems to me that would be better than speaking Polish. And what's next? Which country will they open the borders to next? Albania, Africa or Russia maybe??
I've travelled to many countries and have always shown respect for the people of those lands by trying to speak their languages and respecting their customs but the new people that are here seem to have little or no respect for anyone other than themselves. I have a Polish friend that I chat to on another forum and she says Poland is a much nicer place since the crap (her words) has moved to the UK

I'm not a great fan of some foreigners like I'm not a great fan of some workshy 'British' people. You say if it wasn't for the men and woman in WW2 well some of these men and woman came from Poland to fight the Germans along side British people. Their descendants have stayed here and I've grown up with Polish people. Yes some are coming over here to earn money to send home and few are here for benefits which can't be said for a lot of British people who leach the system.
The thing I find upsetting is a lack of integration from all sides

[Swanny]

I'm not saying anyone should get out, I'm saying don't let anymore in. I'm far from racist but I am a culturalist if there's such a thing. I don't like seeing our culture being watered down like this, I also don't like what the Brits have done to Spain. I imagine the Spanish are pretty pissed off with seeing a Red Lion cafe on every street corner or every resort.
I have Polish friends that I've known since school and they feel the same as me. Yes I have a Polish friend that lives in Poland, why should that mean I don't want anymore Poles coming here?
She told me to come to Poland as it's a nicer place now.


If anyone wants to experience the welcoming nature of the Polish in Trowbridge pop down to Issac's nightclub at the weekend and spend the evening in the Polish section, you can't miss it it pretty much covers the back part of the club and has no English people in it.


I've worked and paid my taxes all my life so I guess that means I've EARNED the right to say I'm unhappy about what's happening in my home country.

[wiltshire builders]

You may say our culture is being watered down I call it evolving.
People bang on about how great this country was.
You know what made it great?
The invaders!
The Vikings, the Romans, The Normans.

Great countries are built on immigration. It allows us to learn and adapt.
30 years ago the only Indian restaurant in this area was in Bath. Now Indian food is more popular than fish and chips.

Trowbridge was a sh#t hole long before the poles moved in and I really hope David Cameron isn't going to base his immigration policies on what goes on in Isaacs nightclub but you could see what he says.

[Trev]

{ Trowbridge was a sh#t hole long before the poles moved in and I really hope David Cameron isn't going to base his immigration policies on what goes on in Isaacs nightclub but you could see what he says. }

This made me laugh out loud on a Monday morning, thanks ; ))

[Julie_S]

Trowbridge has had a Polish population for a long time as one of the largest refugee/resettlement camps during and after the 2nd World War was in Keevil.

I'm loving the positive racism/discrimination going on here...so Poles are nice hard working people? What about the drug takers, thieves and occasional rapists/murderers we sometimes hear of? Oh shock horror, turns out every other nation is just a mirror of our own with a cross section of good, bad and indifferent (sadly I think the last group is the one I fall into!) this rubbish peddled goes both ways! The Daily Mirror is racist.... mainly put about by Guardian who tell us we are all racist (unless of course we read the Guardian) Anybody who believes a nation produces a particular sort of person is a fool.

My view? low skilled workers shouldn't be admitted into this country in large numbers as they are never going to put in more than they will cost should they have several children, retire at 65, then live to 90 that is not their fault just a mathematical fact, I am not complaining as these jobs need doing so that is a price worth paying. Unfortunately whilst our home bred underclass insist it is their birth right to sit on their backsides all day at our expense purely by choice it is going to take 3 hard working Poles (say) in average jobs to pay taxes just to bring in enough to keep one family in the style they are accustomed. People are coming here to work to fill gaps that shouldn't have been there in the first place, opting out of working for a living should not be a choice.

The only problem I have with this is people disappearing into the black economy and the huge numbers of people involved. Too many people from one place settling in another place is never good for the host country and is not nice for the original inhabitants who then feel like foreigners in the town which they were born and bred in, that doesn't make them racists.
Damn Labour, damn the European Parliament

[wiltshire builders]

I'm loving the positive racism/discrimination going on here...so Poles are nice hard working people?

That's not been said. All people have posted is a defence to the sweeping statements that THEY (never "some" or "one I know") are not welcome here and lazy.

The Daily Mirror is racist.... mainly put about by Guardian who tell us we are all racist (unless of course we read the Guardian) Anybody who believes a nation produces a particular sort of person is a fool.

(It's the Daily Mail on trial here. The mirror is just a sh*t left wing paper that fills it's pages with pictures as they have no decent journalists)
Anybody who doesn't think a nation produces a particular sort of person is a fool. You cant change generations of breeding and natural selection over night. Obviously this has been reduced due to mass migration and interbreeding but the fact remains that certain cultures has a natural disposition towards certain characteristics.
You just need to look at the world of sport to see the difference.

is not nice for the original inhabitants who then feel like foreigners in the town which they were born and bred in, that doesn't make them racists.

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Yes it does. Pre judging someone purely based on that persons nationality is racisim.
Again this is a natural trait in EVERY human being. Fear of the unknown predates modern civilisation and is part of our natural defence.
Because different cultures act/look differently to our own (see earlier comment) and we don't understand it we are naturally wary.
We all do it but in todays society it is deemed unacceptable and IS racist.
Keep in mind that the term "Racism" is a man made definition of our natural instincts.
I'm not saying that all racism is wrong. Sometimes we do need to listen to our instincts especially when traveling abroad.
I just think that there a re a few people on here who don't seem to understand what racism actually means.

[WR6133]

Yes it does. Pre judging someone purely based on that persons nationality is racisim.
Again this is a natural trait in EVERY human being. Fear of the unknown predates modern civilisation and is part of our natural defence.
Because different cultures act/look differently to our own (see earlier comment) and we don't understand it we are naturally wary.
We all do it but in todays society it is deemed unacceptable and IS racist.
Keep in mind that the term "Racism" is a man made definition of our natural instincts.
I'm not saying that all racism is wrong. Sometimes we do need to listen to our instincts especially when traveling abroad.
I just think that there a re a few people on here who don't seem to understand what racism actually means.

I don't think you understand what racism means or at least you are confusing/blurring race and nationality which are 2 very different things

Dictionary definition of racism

the belief that all members of each race possess characteristics, abilities, or qualities specific to that race, especially so as to distinguish it as inferior or superior to another race or races

It's based on race not nationality. So having a dislike for your nations culture being eroded away by culture brought by waves of immigrants from other nations is in no way racist. It maybe culturalist (if there is even such a word/thing) but it is not racist.

Of course the nanny state loving peons like to label any dissent based on immigration as racism due to the fact everyone is so terrified of being labelled racist they know it shuts up the dissent toward immigration policies that are present in many people.

[Long John]

Just a thought, but whilst we all wonder about them, us and who's coming from wherever. There real problem is the fact there will be too many people in the UK. Immigration is a quick fix to the crumbling stat pension pots, where the pyramid system will eventually fail. Short term fix whilst there's enough work to ensure the taxes from the masses are sufficent to support the benefits bill. All great and the spin is always plentiful to support any argument, however when will the UK be full ? To retain the life style and freedom we currently enjoy, can this country support 80 / 90 / 100+ million people. I'm sure somebody has probably already worked out the algorithm to this problem, but it will probably be lost in the race debate until it's too late.

[Hondafan]

I think the problem is that Benefits has now become a lifestyle choice for too many people.

Stop unskilled immigration and then start to remove the benefits from the scroungers.

I bet you will suddenly find that work becomes a more attractive option for many, thus removing the "need" for eastern European migrants.

Sadly no government has the balls to make such a decision.

BTW I am currently unemployed.