Sorry, but I think I am missing something here. Are you suggesting that we start charging people for something that is free, although there is, as Hunar says, the option of donation? Or do you think that you have already been charged for something? You say that if you found the website and it asked you to pay up front you wouldn't join it. So why are you suggesting that we start doing it? I quite agree this would be counter productive so why say we should?? As I say maybe I am missing the point.