I agree with you BladeTriple, my own Father moved in with my daughter because he could not afford the upkeep of his own home. You are right, as a society we can learn alot from our Asian counterparts. I do believe however, that if an elderly person wishes to stay independent and stay in their own home they should not have to make a choice between eating or keeping warm. We must not forget that most of our pensioners have paid in to the state through out their working lives. Not much point paying for the state if you can't rely on it when you relly need it.