Muslims against crusades

[Julie_S]

Call me slow, but have they not missed the Crusades? bit late protesting now.

These blokes seriously need to read up on their history.

And before they burn poppies they should take time to go and a look at the panels on the Menin Gate writen in Islamic script... Muslims died in our name in both World Wars. All volunteers too I believe

Thing here is that you aren't allowed to upset peoples' religious sensibilities by Law (applies to some, not others though?) that should apply to other beliefs too, and to many people in the country The Fallen are treated with a reverence normally reserved for religion. That's why they should not behave in such an inflamitory way - it offends millions of people. "Freedom to protest" does not normally take the form of carrying placards saying all (whoever you despise!) should die !

[redken1]

The crusades to which Anjem Choudary and members of the now outlawed campaign group referred to were not those that occurred in the main, between 1095 and 1291, but the crusades of the past 60 years.


The crusades in Iraq:
The Iraqi Ministry of Labour and Social Affairs estimate that around 4.5 million children are orphans. Nearly 70 percent of them lost their parents since the invasion and the ensuing violence. From the total number, around 600,000 children are living in the streets without a house or food to survive

The crusades in Palestine:
4 million UN-registered Palestinian refugees trace their origins to the 1948 exodus; 750,000 people belong to families displaced in 1967 - many for the second time.
Palestinian advocacy group Badil says another 1.5 million hail from pre-1948 Palestine but were not UN-registered, while an additional 274,000 were internally displaced inside Israel after 1948, and 150,000 were displaced in the occupied territories after 1967.
That makes more than six million people, one of the biggest displaced populations in the world.

I find the vile hatred which spouts out of Anjem Choudary’s mouth repulsive. However, banning his campaign group doesn’t address the serious question of what is it that turns so many sensible fair minded young Muslims to extreme fundamentalism? Perhaps some of the answers lie in the above facts? It is my personal belief that American and UK foreign policies serves as a far more effective recruiting sergeant for fundamentalism than Choudary could ever be.

[Dex]

[quote author=Jon_W link=1321029893/8#8 date=1321263606][quote author=Mitch9128 link=1321029893/2#2 date=1321051162]"If we don't believe in freedom of expression for people we despise, we don't believe in it at all."
Noam Chomsky

Too true.

How free is "freedom"?[/quote]

It's free Jon, everyone has it, along with rights, we are all born with 'it'.

However, governments and dictators like to take it away, and restrict it. [/quote]



I disagree - nobody is born with "rights". They are things laid down in law (by governments) who then uphold those rights.

[Mitch9128]

Dex, who fought for these rights to be enshrined in constitutions and law? Our rights are continually eroded on a daily basis by politicians, and governments. Politicians couldn't give two hoots for your rights.