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26-01-12, 02:15 PM
The reason it's inconceivable, is because we're not responsible for what they do. No more than we are responsible if a wild bird craps on your windscreen. As wild animals, they do what, and go where they like. They don't need us to feed them, if they go off on their own, they will catch their own food and find their own water.Originally Posted by dan_geoghegan
Dogs however (in the main), are completely useless without humans to tell them what to do and to look after them.
26-01-12, 05:16 PM
The reason it's inconceivable, is because we're not responsible for what they do. No more than we are responsible if a wild bird craps on your windscreen. As wild animals, they do what, and go where they like. They don't need us to feed them, if they go off on their own, they will catch their own food and find their own water.
Dogs however (in the main), are completely useless without humans to tell them what to do and to look after them. [/quote]
So humans invented dogs then? I think you'll find that a dog would quickly turn feral if it had no food supply. Nature vs nuture. Nature always wins!
26-01-12, 07:59 PM
Animal Welfare Act 2006
This Act is aimed at preventing cruelty, and promoting and ensuring
the welfare of animals.
The Act applies to both domestic and feral cats. In addition to
cruelty offences, the Act places an obligation on owners and those
responsible for cats (eg cattery owners) to ensure that the welfare
needs of their cats are met. These include the need:
for a suitable environment (place to live)
•
for a suitable diet
•
to exhibit normal behaviour patterns
•
to be housed with, or apart from, other animals
•
to be protected from pain, suffering, injury and disease
•
The penalties for committing an offence of cruelty, or for failing to
provide for an animal’s welfare needs, include a ban from owning
animals, a fine of up to £20,000 or, in some cases, a six-month
prison sentence.
The Act also increases the minimum age at which anyone can buy an
animal to 16.
Theft Act 1968
Cats are regarded in law as the ‘property’ of their owner. The theft
of a cat is treated as an offence under the Act in the same way as
theft of any other property.
A cat that is lost or has strayed is generally regarded as the property
of the original owner. It is therefore necessary to make all reasonable
endeavours to locate the original owner whenever possible.
Criminal Damage Act 1971
Because the law regards cats as property, an offence may be
committed under this Act if a person, without lawful excuse, kills or
injures a cat belonging to another person.
Animal Act 1971 and the Common Law Duty of Care
The law in these respects
recognises that, by their nature, cats are less likely than some other
animals to cause injury to people or damage to property.
However, cat owners do have a general duty at law to take
reasonable care to ensure that their cats do not cause injury to
people or damage to property. In practice, cases involving damage
to property or injury to people by cats are few and far between.
Planning and Environmental Law
Environmental Health Departments have powers under
the Environmental Protection Act, 1990 in respect of nuisance or
hazards (eg fouling, smell and noise) caused as a result of too many
cats being kept at a single property.
26-01-12, 08:14 PM
If your neighbour allowed their snake to go where it pleased and it ate your cat and took a dump on your lawn, you would be entitled to be pissed off. It's no different.[quote author=Tina link=1327263661/47#47 date=1327441177]how odd that you feel the need to dislike someone because of something they have in their life !!8-) ;D
I dislike spiders and snakes but dont feel the need to 'hate' their owners because of it.
Have you forgotten the useless dog owners that allow their dogs to foul the footpaths and grass areas without picking it up?????? They do still exist...I should know !!! :P :P :P :P
It's all about being responsible for your pets and respecting other people around you.
To a cat owner it's inconceivable that somebody would have a problem with a cat, and that's my point.
If you like something that's fine, but why should everyone else have to suffer as a result.
I know I said I hate cat people, but there's always an exception to the rule
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hehehe....cool.....do you know what??
No matter how much we defend our own pets someone, somewhere wont like them....bit like children and adults I guess.... everyone is different and surely we should accept another's choices and respect them....I believe its called diversity hehe
But I still think there should be marked areas for unleashed dogs just like there are marked areas for loose children ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
26-01-12, 08:19 PM
Tina, a huge chunk of the 97.5 per cent of non-bike road users don't have alot of time for the other 2.5 per cent - US. I say "Tough Sh*t" ;D
We are becoming so over populated (”Britain's population could soar to 90million over the next 50 years.”) on this little island that general tolerance levels have suffered as a result.
Save that one for another day. :
26-01-12, 08:34 PM
Animal Welfare Act 2006
This Act is aimed at preventing cruelty, and promoting and ensuring
the welfare of animals.
The Act applies to both domestic and feral cats. In addition to
cruelty offences, the Act places an obligation on owners and those
responsible for cats (eg cattery owners) to ensure that the welfare
needs of their cats are met. These include the need:
for a suitable environment (place to live)
•
for a suitable diet
•
to exhibit normal behaviour patterns
•
to be housed with, or apart from, other animals
•
to be protected from pain, suffering, injury and disease
•
The penalties for committing an offence of cruelty, or for failing to
provide for an animal’s welfare needs, include a ban from owning
animals, a fine of up to £20,000 or, in some cases, a six-month
prison sentence.
The Act also increases the minimum age at which anyone can buy an
animal to 16.
Theft Act 1968
Cats are regarded in law as the ‘property’ of their owner. The theft
of a cat is treated as an offence under the Act in the same way as
theft of any other property.
A cat that is lost or has strayed is generally regarded as the property
of the original owner. It is therefore necessary to make all reasonable
endeavours to locate the original owner whenever possible.
Criminal Damage Act 1971
Because the law regards cats as property, an offence may be
committed under this Act if a person, without lawful excuse, kills or
injures a cat belonging to another person.
Animal Act 1971 and the Common Law Duty of Care
The law in these respects
recognises that, by their nature, cats are less likely than some other
animals to cause injury to people or damage to property.
However, cat owners do have a general duty at law to take
reasonable care to ensure that their cats do not cause injury to
people or damage to property. In practice, cases involving damage
to property or injury to people by cats are few and far between.
Planning and Environmental Law
Environmental Health Departments have powers under
the Environmental Protection Act, 1990 in respect of nuisance or
hazards (eg fouling, smell and noise) caused as a result of too many
cats being kept at a single property.
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Hmmm, interesting. That contradicts what the insurance people & the vets told me. I might go back to the insurers and quote that to see if they will give us the same cover as the dog. Thanks ken
26-01-12, 08:36 PM
Businesses Aidan - I'll say no more :-X
27-01-12, 04:53 AM
Out of interest aiden how much is it to insure your lab?
27-01-12, 08:38 AM
Think we pay about £16 a month. It's already been worth it - he picked up Giardia (a parasite infection) as a pup that would have cost us over £1000 if he wasn't insured. After seeing how much our king charles would have cost when I was growing up if they weren't insured, I always keep the animals insured now. The cat is insured for vets probs, but no public liability.
Pure bred dogs often have problems when they get older, as sadly, there are a lot of unscrupulous breeders out there, who over many centuries have inbred their dogs. Especially when you see these horrible little yappy miniature things. That's why the King Charles almost all suffer with heart problems when they get older. These issues are now prominent in the whole breed, regardless of how good your perticular breeder is. Labs often get hip dysplacia which is why they have to be hip scored before they can breed (if you want them kennel club registered).
Rolo is 5th gen pedigree, which means we have his complete family tree going back 5 generations so we can see there has been no family breeding in that time, and means his hips are fine.
27-01-12, 02:03 PM
I pay about 18 pounds to insure my Lab with Virgin Pet Insurance, however I have taken out their most expensive package so there are cheaper options out there but you don't get as much cover. I'm not going to be a tightwad when it comes to the health and well being of my hound.
I have probably already claimed back more than what I have paid due to Archie having to have an lump removed from his back leg. An operation that cost over 600 pounds. Apart from the 80 pound excess Virgin paid up in full with no probs whatsoever.
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