I did laugh though at the news last night, we should have got students to kettle the coppers
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11-05-12, 07:12 AM
I did laugh though at the news last night, we should have got students to kettle the coppers
11-05-12, 11:12 AM
I wonder if there was any police brutality against the protesters??
11-05-12, 11:49 AM
Not if they do Jack in their current job role. I don’t agree that just because you work in the public sector you should be entitled to a pension scheme funded by the tax payer. If you are providing a good and valuable service to the public then yes I have no problem with my taxes going towards a pension for them. I think we all know for a fact there are more than a small minority out there working in the public sector getting a gold plated pension for doing next to nothing, doing what they do incompetently and incorrectly and whilst being rude in some cases (I know this first hand from dealing with my local council on more than one occasion and also working alongside other councils up and down the country). These are the people that have no right to complain or protest about their pensions being cut.Originally Posted by monday21
11-05-12, 01:03 PM
Not if they do Jack in their current job role. I don’t agree that just because you work in the public sector you should be entitled to a pension scheme funded by the tax payer. If you are providing a good and valuable service to the public then yes I have no problem with my taxes going towards a pension for them. I think we all know for a fact there are more than a small minority out there working in the public sector getting a gold plated pension for doing next to nothing, doing what they do incompetently and incorrectly and whilst being rude in some cases (I know this first hand from dealing with my local council on more than one occasion and also working alongside other councils up and down the country). These are the people that have no right to complain or protest about their pensions being cut.
Can you tell me what the difference is between a private contributory pension scheme (where the employer and employee pays a percentage of salary into the pension fund) and a local govt contributory pension scheme (where the employer and employee pays a percentage of salary into the pension fund).
I would like to know as I have both types myself and I'm struggling to understand why you think I shouldn't have access to a contributable pension scheme just like anyone else.
11-05-12, 01:22 PM
I watched it last night and it made me so angry. The public sector think it is their god given right to have a final salary pension paid for by people like me who have had to take a pay cut over the last few years and seen their final salary pension schemes frozen.
Stop complaining you are hard done by and be thankful you have a job
11-05-12, 02:02 PM
Kevin, when they joined their 'jobs' these pensions were in their contracts, if i had gone into the public sector and i did for a while in the Army, and then had it withdrawn, even though it was laid down at the start, i'd be mightily p1ssed off. They have had pay cuts, pay freezes and mostly poor pay from the start, the pension being the only attractive remuneration. The tories have done a good job on you, we should all be standing together for our rights, not bailing out bankers and the rich, then turning on each other.
11-05-12, 03:14 PM
damn straight Mitch! its what they want is us playing off against each other whilst they still pocket ridiculous salaries for very little visable return in work load
11-05-12, 03:56 PM
Not if they do Jack in their current job role. I don’t agree that just because you work in the public sector you should be entitled to a pension scheme funded by the tax payer. If you are providing a good and valuable service to the public then yes I have no problem with my taxes going towards a pension for them. I think we all know for a fact there are more than a small minority out there working in the public sector getting a gold plated pension for doing next to nothing, doing what they do incompetently and incorrectly and whilst being rude in some cases (I know this first hand from dealing with my local council on more than one occasion and also working alongside other councils up and down the country). These are the people that have no right to complain or protest about their pensions being cut.
Can you tell me what the difference is between a private contributory pension scheme (where the employer and employee pays a percentage of salary into the pension fund) and a local govt contributory pension scheme (where the employer and employee pays a percentage of salary into the pension fund).
I would like to know as I have both types myself and I'm struggling to understand why you think I shouldn't have access to a contributable pension scheme just like anyone else.[/quote]
The difference which gripes my goat is that the taxes that every working person pays goes towards a bill somewhere in the region of £33bn to cover contributions/topups to public pensions. Like i said above - thats fine as long as the job that was done by the person recieving said pension was one to benefit the public in a real and true way, and that they actually did do the job to their full and best ability - which again, as i said before there is more than just a minority out there not doing and freeloading at the expense of taxpayers.
11-05-12, 05:21 PM
Not if they do Jack in their current job role. I don’t agree that just because you work in the public sector you should be entitled to a pension scheme funded by the tax payer. If you are providing a good and valuable service to the public then yes I have no problem with my taxes going towards a pension for them. I think we all know for a fact there are more than a small minority out there working in the public sector getting a gold plated pension for doing next to nothing, doing what they do incompetently and incorrectly and whilst being rude in some cases (I know this first hand from dealing with my local council on more than one occasion and also working alongside other councils up and down the country). These are the people that have no right to complain or protest about their pensions being cut.
Can you tell me what the difference is between a private contributory pension scheme (where the employer and employee pays a percentage of salary into the pension fund) and a local govt contributory pension scheme (where the employer and employee pays a percentage of salary into the pension fund).
I would like to know as I have both types myself and I'm struggling to understand why you think I shouldn't have access to a contributable pension scheme just like anyone else.[/quote]
The difference which gripes my goat is that the taxes that every working person pays goes towards a bill somewhere in the region of £33bn to cover contributions/topups to public pensions. Like i said above - thats fine as long as the job that was done by the person recieving said pension was one to benefit the public in a real and true way, and that they actually did do the job to their full and best ability - which again, as i said before there is more than just a minority out there not doing and freeloading at the expense of taxpayers.[/quote]
I would'nt necessarily disagree with that, but I would argue that the exact same thing is true in the private sector. The difference is that much more is transparent and open to public debate when discussing pay and conditions in the public sector than it is in private business. In my experience there's more shady dealings going on in private business than in the public sector.
11-05-12, 06:38 PM
In 2007-08, when public-sector pensions had a net cost to the taxpayer of £4 billion, private-sector pension relief cost the taxpayer £37.6 billion.
Financial year ending April 2011, RBS Chief Executive Stephen Hester collected £420,000 (Who paid that?) worth of pension contributions because he is not part of the bank’s pension scheme.
Just one example of many.
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