fat bob! im not a "proper biker" as I only grew up with motorcycles in my life, my dad was a rocker, rode and raced motorcycles, started going pillion myself on the bonny he built in the garage, to this day I remember watching him. rode around on field bikes and finally at the ripe age of 16 got my cbt and first road bike which was a honda 50 mbx. My dad (also not a proper biker) rebuilt the pocket size engine teaching me all the way through each step. I have since had very many bikes upto 5 at one time I think, all my kids can ride motorcycles as they have had them in their life too from start. I just wondered where I have to sign up in your club to be "a proper biker"???? By the way, breaking peoples property is illegal, your not a proper pedestrian! ;D ;D [smiley=thumbsup.gif]