Anyone heard the news?

[Scotty]

PS: If you instantly crash at 70mph or more you would instantly die from internal organ damage as you stop but they all keep accelerating towards the front of your body and get in effect liquidised...Worth keeping in mind next time you decide to nail it up a piece of road.

Can you elaborate on "instantly crash" at all? I've crashed travelling in excess of 70mph a number of times on road and racetrack and as far as I can tell I'm still alive. Sure, if one hits an immovable object such as a tree, truck, or a wall at 30mph then the likelihood of surviving isn't great, but riding bikes and staying alive is all about managing risks. Weigh up the potential consequences and act accordingly.

I'm not advocating that everyone rides their bikes flat-out whenever they can, but that the judicial system keep things in perspective... You ride your bikes how you prefer to and I'll ride mine the way I like to, that way we can all be happy

[furry-TLR]

Can you elaborate on "instantly crash" at all? I've crashed travelling in excess of 70mph a number of times on road and racetrack and as far as I can tell I'm still alive. Sure, if one hits an immovable object such as a tree, truck, or a wall at 30mph then the likelihood of surviving isn't great, but riding bikes and staying alive is all about managing risks. Weigh up the potential consequences and act accordingly.

Instantly = stop dead...I.e. something stops you travelling further...this could be a solid object if on a bike or a seatbelt in a car.

There’s big a difference between "managing risks" and taking "unnecessary risks"...I believe this instance of 166 falls into the latter.

I like the fact you've had so many "crashes" that you can base you views on, but I expect in most if not all of them you were able to reduce your speed before you came off...chances are that's the only reason your "still alive"

End of the day...something many bikers don't get is....

It's not worth dying for!

Going back to the original Q of the sentence given, like I said it's within the guidelines so fair cop IMO.

[Amante_271]

You mentioned drink driving...

That instantly carries a minimum 1 year ban and jail time(normally)...but for them it gets worse. (Normally most judges hand out a 2-3 year ban and 3-6 months in the cell unless dangerous driving is also chucked into the mix)

The drink driving ban you receive would stay on your licence for 11 years I believe it is...and virtually no-one will insure you unless you've got a very deep pocket...also with that on there you'd be amazed how many people won't give you a job either!

On the drink driving topic.....

I got arrested for Drink Driving! I had 2 pints after work and was driving home with the sun roof open... in November as the car was over heating. That was why I was stopped as it was midnight! I was breathalized and only just tipped over the mark.

On arriving at the Police station I was breathalized on the machien and recorded a score of 43 - the limit is 40. I was offered a blood test, the Doctor was paged and I was told I'd probably "Ok" as he would take an hour+ to get there. It turned out he was in the next cell! My reading was 86 with the limit being 80. I got a mandtory 1 year ban & £80 fine + £40 costs. The ban stays on my license till next Feb (10 years not 11) and IF I get caught with in that time again I get a 3 year ban, a high fine & have to sit the advanced test! There was no talk of custody at any stage. May be because I was only just over the limit!

There are insurers who accept DD drivers with no major penalty BUT hit speeders hard!!

Yes I lost my job! Yes it was hard to see my kids as I had to travel by bus from Melksham to Malmesbury... 30 mins by car ... 2HOURS+ by bus!

I got a job with not too much of a problem doing the fundraising, which I have grown to a stage where Im an Area Team Fundraising Manager and in the last 3 weeks, been head-hunted for a second time as Im bloody good at my job!!

Is Drink Driving a bad thing.... YES of course it is!! Can it ruin the lives of others... YES the evidence is plain to see. Is it the most heanous crime in the world...NO! Is there a way to learn from it and move forward from it YES! I have!!

Am I proud of my crime? NO!! I am at least honest about it and it HAS made me a better person for being caught!

[Ducatista]

Can you elaborate on "instantly crash" at all? I've crashed travelling in excess of 70mph a number of times on road and racetrack and as far as I can tell I'm still alive.

There's a difference between crashing and carrying on e.g. sliding down a track and coming to a dead stop (like the bike did inside that car).

The problem with stopping instantly is that your organs carry on going, so for example one of the things that happens is your heart carries on moving inside your chest and your aorta (major blood vessel suplpying blood to the heart) is literally ripped out from your heart. It's quite short and not designed to move very far.
If you slide down the track or are thrown from your vehicle (or manage to jump off) then you have a much better chance.

There was an accident on the A350 a few months ago when several bikers were going down to Poole. A volvo pulled out from a layby.
The first bike hit the bonnet, flew over and broke his arm. The second biker hit the car in the middle and just stopped dead and he was killed. The body cannot cope with massive deceleration.

There are 2 main problems I have with this thread.
One is along the lines of what Beemerman said.

I can't comment on the sentence as I don't possess the necessary knowledge or experience to do so.

We have very few facts.
There are differences in every case and relying on sensational media reports and entertainment programs is dangerous.
It's possible the guys attitude was taken into account when sentencing and also many other factors.
We have virtually no facts at all on this thread about cases, only opinions and judgments from a flimsy media base.

The other issue is that I agree with a lot of posters (like JP) that this largely comes down to individual responsibiity.
Sure the police, council and other motorists have a part to play but mainly it's down to us.
Whipping up sentiment in a anti-establishment direction and making everyone feel they are victimised and persecuted is not particularly helpful towards encouraging personal responsibility.

I'm not advocating that everyone rides their bikes flat-out whenever they can, but that the judicial system keep things in perspective

I agree with Beemerman.
We don't know the circumstances or the guys attitude or the details of other cases.
So you don't have a good basis for saying it's not in perspective.

[jonnydangerous]

166????.....was he in 5th or did he have a poorly gsxr thou ;-)

JP, murder is premeditated.......Manslaughter is death as a consequence of an action....

Everyone now please feel free to slag me off too........
cos ive seen 186 on the speedo a few times.... :-)

[Davey]

I've tried keeping out of this as I do know of the rider that was busted and to be honest you do the crime do the time! Yes I was known for my antics on the road and have been well in excess if 186 but a few court cases later and learnt my lesson (even though i managed to get off on a technicality on the last one! and i was advised I could face upto 2 years imprisonment)

Bringing the death of one of my friends into the conversation regarding speeding I am not to amused with though as there was no confirmation of him speeding and it still hurts to discuss the incident

But my personal opinion is you know the score and that they're clamping down so if you do speed and get busted - tough luck! I might visit you in the slammer [smiley=thumbsup.gif] Do I agree with the length of time probably not but then again you killed one of my family members doing 160 in a 60 I'd probably want you dead anyway, and a prison sentance wouldn't be long enough.

I was also involved in a major accident on Akers way where 5 of my friends were killed and many injured in 1991 with someone doing approx 90 in a 40 lost control and piled into them sat at a bench - he got 5 years which i feel is way too short

[Snowy]

Bringing the death of one of my friends into the conversation regarding speeding I am not to amused with though as there was no confirmation of him speeding and it still hurts to discuss the incident

Being sensitive to the issue here, if your comment about your friend is in reference to the point made by Ducatista in her previous post, I don't think there was any mention or intent to imply that any of the bikers were speeding. The context of the point being made was with a body's ability to withstand sudden deceleration when coming to an instantaneous stop from whatever speed.

I totally agree with your remarks would it be family or friends involved in avoidable RTA's - punishment handouts would never be enough.

[furry-TLR]

166????.....was he in 5th or did he have a poorly gsxr thou ;-)

JP, murder is premeditated.......Manslaughter is death as a consequence of an action....

Everyone now please feel free to slag me off too........
cos ive seen 186 on the speedo a few times.... :-)

JD,

GSXR clocks may show 186, doesn’t mean they are actually doing that speed as we all know bike clocks are over-calibrated…chances are when he got clocked at doing an actual 166 he was flat out.

…and anyway…considering your recent bad luck where your lucky to also still be alive, let alone still have your leg attached…I am not sure if your post that comes across as “bragging” to the masses is even appropriate?

Whipping up sentiment in a anti-establishment direction and making everyone feel they are victimised and persecuted is not particularly helpful towards encouraging personal responsibility.

That has to be one of the best statements I've seen online in a long time. [smiley=thumbsup.gif] I've been busted and gone to court before for speed and at no point did I ever feel that what I recieved was un-fair...I did the crime so I did the time.

[Ducatista]

Bringing the death of one of my friends into the conversation regarding speeding I am not to amused

Sorry stu.
At that point I was talking about the effects of massive deceleration on the body and that incident was a good example of both types of stopping.
I didn't intend there to be any connection with speeding, but I'm sorry if it caused you any upset anyway.

[Scotty]

I like the fact you've had so many "crashes" that you can base you views on, but I expect in most if not all of them you were able to reduce your speed before you came off...chances are that's the only reason your "still alive"

Oh, you like that, it pleases you does it? At least I'm talking about things from the perspective of experience, not sanctimony. And no, you're way off the mark about being able to reduce speed before crashing - were that possible, the crash would be avoided - not possible when racing I'm afraid, crashes tend not to give an awful lot of warning before they happen, even on the road. The reason that I'm still alive is down to primarily two factors factors;- doing it where it's safe (ie. racetracks, or open roads away from traffic, junctions, road furniture, people etc.), and wearing the proper gear.
By the way, if you're going to be high and mighty, learn to puntuate properly; "your" is a possessive, "you're" is an abbreviation of "you are", which I believe is what you're trying to convey.

To return to my original point about the judicial system over-reacting in this case, may I present two pieces of evidence to make the case?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/lanc ... 739670.stm

Stolen car, no license or insurance, hit and run killed a 3 year old girl.......and gets 12 weeks in jail.


http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/nort ... 303744.stm

130MPH, police chase, 9 bags of dope.... 80hours community service.

Don't speed - Kill people, less jail time.