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[redken1]

Not quite sure what happened here - I seem to have got your posts mixed up Ducatista, I think I deleted my earlier post somehow when editing it - nevermind.

Of course I think we should discuss it and can,t understand why you would suggest otherwise.

We will have to agree to disagree about the level of visibility of brown mud on a black/grey surface at night. In the context of my post, I think ‘Not so easy’ to see as in daylight is fair.

My point was not about me, but a general point and for the sake of clarification I’ll reword it. I can see how an unsuspecting biker could get caught out encountering mud mid-corner when riding on an unfamiliar road at night.

Why would I not blame the farmer? He deposited the hazard on the road and has a moral and legal responsibility to remove it.
8-)

[Snowy]

At night and when its raining, mud is virtually impossible to see. Well, put it this way, I find it difficult to see. If I were to slow down enough on a rainy night to make the risk nil, I may as well walk - which for me is not the point of riding a bike. We all have different ideas of the level of risk we are willing to take for the fun we have on our bike's. Usually I'm quite risk averse but on rare ocassions I take some pretty big risks on my bike...I think I must be an adrenalin junky ;D

[Kevinb]

Years a go I was following a coach on the way to Dunster/Minehead and passed a farm, I was covered in brown stuff (not mud). Funny looking back but horrible at the time.

[wiltshire builders]

Years a go I was following a coach on the way to Dunster/Minehead and passed a farm, I was covered in brown stuff (not mud). Funny looking back but horrible at the time.

Sh*t! ;D

[Kevinb]

[quote author=Kevinb link=1358442047/22#22 date=1359017259]Years a go I was following a coach on the way to Dunster/Minehead and passed a farm, I was covered in brown stuff (not mud). Funny looking back but horrible at the time.

Sh*t! ;D[/quote]

If memory serves me I was having an excrement, I mean excellent ride

[Conehead]

Must have had a crap time. ;D ;D ;D ;D

[Kevinb]

Not happy so I didn't give myself a pat on the back as I had a load on my front ;D

[Gooz]

nothing worse than a crap ride........... still at least it wasn't pi""ing down too

[Ducatista]

Why would I not blame the farmer?

Ken - Of course you would blame the farmer and claim financial compenation. I must have worded things badly if you think otherwise.
I was merely suggesting that sometimes the financial compensation is not enough e.g. if got run over and were killed.
This makes it sensible for us bikers to try avoid situations EVEN when they aren't our fault. I agree that's unfair and annoying, but that's how it is. In practice the onus is on us because we will be the one's who suffer. People can be forced to pay compensation or even go to jail but there is no way to bring someone back from the dead or change some types of life changing injury

If I were to slow down enough on a rainy night to make the risk nil, I may as well walk

Snowy - I agree with you. That's why personally I avoid riding at night. I like to ride safely and I don't believe I can do that at night AND enjoy myself.
Of course if push comes to shove and I need to get home then I do it - but carefully.

However if you were in said situation. Ride at walking speed or take a risk, then I'm sure you would agree that it is a choice? Not a brilliant choice I agree, but nevertheless a choice.

I think I must be an adrenalin junky

Not really, the vast majority of the time there isn't going to be mud on the corner and mostly if you take those kind of risks you will get away with it.
That does not mean that you didn't take a risk though and does not mean you couldn't have avoided it (I may have too many negative there but I think YKWIM).

[QB1]

Not that I am defending farmers but builders can be just as bad.

I had the misfortune to go along the Sandridge road and new bypass in Melksham at the weekend and the state the builders/developers have left the road in is disgusting.

I'm surprised no ones crashed a car there yet let alone skidded off on two wheels >