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So by Jan 2014 uk petrol will have a certain % of Ethenol in the petrol mix which will start at 5% and will increase.However read the artical in the link.http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...amage-car.html scroll down and read the comments after the artical
I have seen on another forum that any bike with a Plastic/Nylon tanks eg early Triumphs and the Multistrada 1000D plus the Aprillia Falco etc expand due to the Ethenol which causes them not to fit properly.
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Let's try one more time for the dim witted DM readers. Ethanol has almost zero to do with climate change apart from the fact it requires a little less fossil fuel use, hence the loosely applied term "green". It causes the same levels or more pollution when burned. It is not suitable for use in older vehicles before 2000 or smaller engines on lawnmowers and the like, it perishes the seals and gaskets. It only has a shelf life of 90 days after which it can become corrosive even to engines built for its use. It will not affect performance in modern vehicles and the difference in mileage is not noticeable. Whoever is in office and unless hydrogen fuels are developed or every vehicle is converted to CNG the UK WILL get ethanol in fuel, every other advanced nation is using it. Vehicles built after 2007 will run on 15% ethanol or E15. E10 is currently required in the US per the EISA law signed by G W Bush in 2007 with a requirement for a step up to E15 by 2016 to cut down on oil imports.
- Grasshopper Farmer , Sandburrville, 13/3/2013 00:36
We are already at E5 in most fuel stations. A DoT report last year raised serious concerns about the effects of E10 on any vehicle over 5 years old.
http://www.realclassic.co.uk/techfil...fuel_study.pdf
special note to page 25;
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Triumph, all Triumph motorcycles have been compatible with E10 since at least 1994. From 1993 to 2008 nylon moulded fuel tanks were employed but due to vapour permeability concerns a switch back to steel tanks was made [96].
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BMW. BMW motorcycles have been E10 compatible for at least twenty years [107].
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Harley-Davidson. All motorcycles have been E10 compatible since the 90s [108].
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Kawasaki. Kawasaki Heavy Industries are still considering the effects of E10 and do not recommend its use [109].
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KTM. All models from 2000 are compatible with E10 [110].
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Yamaha. All models are compatible with E5 and some new models are compatible with E10 [111].
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Suzuki. All models have been compatible with E10 since 2005 [112].
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Honda. All models have been compatible with E10 since 1993 but carburettored vehicles could suffer poor drivability [164, 165].
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Vehicles ten years old or older, carburettored vehicles (including powered two wheelers) and first generation direct injection spark ignition vehicles should not be fuelled on E10 unless the manufacturer can state the vehicles are compatible with E10.
The automotive industry should produce a comprehensive list of vehicles compatible with E10. While it is acknowledged that some lists do already exist if in doubt the vehicle operator should seek clarification from the vehicle manufacturer.
E5 should not be phased out in 2013, its widespread availability should continue for the foreseeable future.
Consideration should be given to maintaining a specification for E0 fuel for historic and vintage vehicles.
this has been going round for ages and is a big concern with the VMCC and vintage car owners. why are fuel tanks rusting quicker, bare metal in a tank and ethanol being hygrascopic absorbs water , rusts tanks and messes up carbs. also if you have treated the inside of a classic tank it peels off the early tank sealers, ironic really as normally you wouldnt be able to get it off once applied.
seeing more and more bikes in for carb cleans after winter layups and non starting yet recently Ive bought a couple of 5+ year non used bikes and within a couple of mins with the boost pack they fire up.
tree hugging still alive and supported ::)
Is it worthwhile investing meagre self funded pension in ethanol producing companies ?? :-?
Where's some bloody lead ffs!!!! as in bullets to shoot the interfering wets >:(
This will cause major issues with bikes that don't run well with high ethanol content fuel.
I know from personal experience that the F4 does not like the stuff that any of the supermarkets sell without a drop of STP to sort it out.
There's a lot of concern about this on the Aprilia forums, a lot of us already have tank swelling, making it difficult to get the tank up and down. Same on the KTM forums.
lets face it, this applies to 75% of the bikes on the road. those who change bikes frequently and those who dry store classics it wont affect. the rest it willQuote:
Originally Posted by Jon_W