Tories lying and other stuff

[Mitch9128]

Well, RedKen is quiet these days, so...

Donelan she isn't the brightest of speakers, having seen her a couple of times, she's thick as mince, but blatantly lying?

http://www.gazetteandherald.co.uk/news/14315211.Election__overspend__claim_denied_by_Chip penham_MP/?action=success#comment_15488940

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2015-32123528

Here's the article in the Mirror she refers to;

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/busted-24-tories-how-broke-7467603

String her up i say...

[Mitch9128]

She's had the comments section shut down for the Gazette article, there were a few pointing out her lies on there.

[Mitch9128]

Feel silly replying to myself, but the Gazette has edited it's story now, to add that David Cameron did visit Chippenham, that wasn't there yesterday, Donelan must have forced them to edit.

[Trev]

Just so you don't feel silly replying to yourself ....... ;)

Thanks for posting as I had never heard of Michelle Donelan or what she is supposed to have done, or not done, and now I have, I know I wasn't missing anything, a politician lying, surely not? Must remember to carry on not reading a paper, ever - with the possible exception of local free rag to check mobile speed camera locations
; )

[Toph]

A politician lying??? shock!
Thought it was part of the job.. ;)

[Republic]

M.P's who's the biggest fool, the fool, or the fool who votes for them, ha ha ha

[Mitch9128]

M.P's who's the biggest fool, the fool, or the fool who votes for them, ha ha ha

Or the apathetic fules, who don't vote?

[Republic]

First they must earn respect and that seems to be a thing of the past, I am very sorry to say, but I will be voting in eu vote so maybe not so apathetic after all, ha ha ha

[redken1]

Mitch, I have been avoiding starting threads on controversial issues on WB because I was picking up vibes that there was a lack of appetite for such discussion. I have been vocal elsewhere however. Lol

Most on here know which side I bat for on the political spectrum so I’m not going to try and score points with regard to the Tory MP in question. Moreover, the Tories don’t have a monopoly over sleaze, dishonesty and lack of integrity – sadly, these traits exist on all sides of the ‘House’ as illustrated during the expenses scandal of a few years ago. At the time of the revelations, instead of humble apologies, MPs fed us with bull**** like, “when I realised I made a mistake I paid it back.” What, like filling in a form for a mortgage for a house that you weren’t entitled to claim for, or submitting a claim for cleaning out your duck pond, kind of mistakes?

On a more general point, I think we get the politicians we deserve. How many times do we hear the words, “I never discuss politics?” A lack of scrutiny is the way unscrupulous politicians like it, because it makes it easier for them to slip under the radar if their employers (us) have disengaged from the political process. I believe there should be some kind of mechanism in place whereby constituents could remove their MP during a parliamentary term if they were not happy with their performance. A breach of the five year contract could lead to termination of employment as an MP. It applies in all other walks of life.

We need to understand that politics impacts on our lives every day of the week, whether we like it or not. Politics is our child’s education, politics is our family’s healthcare, and politics is the state of our roads. If we can’t be bothered to hold our elected representatives to account, then we are hardly in a position to complain about the lack of moral values or principles in Westminster.

[Toph]

totally agree Ken.. that sums it up nicely.

[Mitch9128]

I was never interested in politics, and still not really, i just stand open mouthed at the attitudes i encounter here in the South West. I moved here 9 years ago, and my first encounter of it was how many copies of the Mail on Sunday Morrisons has when they open, and they all sell, probably thousands, vs about 5 copies of say the Observer.

[Julie_S]

you've obviously got a bee in your bonnet about this, but did you have no politicians where you lived previously to Wiltshire? Lying isn't the preserve of Politicians, think about it, any one in a position does it, your manager will do, the MD of the company you work for will do - and if that's you I'm sure you do it yourself!

I find the constant Daily Mail references boring, this is a country where people are supposed to be entitled to their own opinions. There isn't a paper on the shelf that isn't just a vessel for pushing it's views to it's readers (the only one that didn't was the Daily Sport!)

Before you say anything I voted for Duncan Hames, he was a good local MP regardless of party

[redken1]

you've obviously got a bee in your bonnet about this, but did you have no politicians where you lived previously to Wiltshire? Lying isn't the preserve of Politicians, think about it, any one in a position does it, your manager will do, the MD of the company you work for will do - and if that's you I'm sure you do it yourself!

I find the constant Daily Mail references boring, this is a country where people are supposed to be entitled to their own opinions. There isn't a paper on the shelf that isn't just a vessel for pushing it's views to it's readers (the only one that didn't was the Daily Sport!)

Before you say anything I voted for Duncan Hames, he was a good local MP regardless of party

Julie, perhaps I am misinterpreting your post, but are you suggesting that we accept lies from public servants that we place in positions of trust?

[Mitch9128]

you've obviously got a bee in your bonnet about this, but did you have no politicians where you lived previously to Wiltshire? Lying isn't the preserve of Politicians, think about it, any one in a position does it, your manager will do, the MD of the company you work for will do - and if that's you I'm sure you do it yourself!

I find the constant Daily Mail references boring, this is a country where people are supposed to be entitled to their own opinions. There isn't a paper on the shelf that isn't just a vessel for pushing it's views to it's readers (the only one that didn't was the Daily Sport!)

Before you say anything I voted for Duncan Hames, he was a good local MP regardless of party

All papers have an agenda, this much is true, although the DM's one of hate and fear, is objectionable at best. As for politicians lying, and we should accept that, they are our employees and if they lie, they should be sacked, we don't have to accept it. I do however have some respect for the tories, in so much are up front about how they are going to eff us over, the lib dem wishy washy brigade, with their false promises are a disgrace.

I am originally from Yorkshire, but after several years touring the world with the Army settled in Wiltshire, so i've plenty of experience of idiots telling me what to think and do :)

[Julie_S]

Oh come on, what do you mean by accepting? they do it, it happens. We don't really get a lot a of say in the matter. Complain, vote them out, next lot along will do exactly the same thing. That's what I'm saying - not that it is acceptable. If we want honesty and transparency maybe we should let dogs and the under 5's start running for Parliament? that's the only way we would be guaranteed honesty

I do think we as a nation are too negative about politicians, ignoring why this post started in the first place and the entire subject of those with power lying, there are going to be a lot of good, hard working people who put everything into that job we really ought to take more time to find out about what goes on and just what MPs do. If we as a nation want to change this maybe we should make it our business to get the disinterested interested? X Factor gets more interest than who is going to be running the country. I really think the worst thing about this country is the apathy.

Back to the original subject, she came to Mike's before the election last asking opinions and in honesty did not appear to have a clue what she was talking about. "What do you think about immigration" uhh, that's a very big subject, which bit of it are you talking about? etc etc

[Vulcanboy]

Hiya all. I'm sure that Donelan is doing her best for Chippenham. It takes time to get up to speed in Parliament, especially after years out there in the real World earning a living. Some politicians, who have never held a real job, seem to know all the answers, but lack real life experience ... The problem with the 'Left' is that they absolutely no idea why the Conservatives won the last election: They are so out of touch with real people. Clearly, the voters got it all wrong! :)

[Mitch9128]

Hiya all. I'm sure that Donelan is doing her best for Chippenham. It takes time to get up to speed in Parliament, especially after years out there in the real World earning a living. Some politicians, who have never held a real job, seem to know all the answers, but lack real life experience ... The problem with the 'Left' is that they absolutely no idea why the Conservatives won the last election: They are so out of touch with real people. Clearly, the voters got it all wrong! :)

Bit early in the day to be pissed isn't it? :D

Yeah of course the Northern lass Donelan is doing her best http://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/news/14497305.Police_consider__battle_bus__election_cos t_investigation/ parachuted into a safe seat, have you ever seen her talk? She's an idiot. As for the voters, when was labour ever going to get elected in Wiltshire?

[Vulcanboy]

OK .... one all! :p

[RobLee]

The expenses scandal is still ongoing, they're just hiding it better now. http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/may/17/mps-expenses-martin-williams-parliament-ltd
Interesting article about this in the Guardian from a few days ago.

EDIT: Oops, I missed page 2 - my post seems a bit random now!