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Stuntsunlimited
11-04-15, 07:16 PM
Parents who took their teenage son out of school without permission for a five-day holiday ended up with a £1,200 bill and a visit from the bailiffs.
The couple were originally fined £120 over the 14-year-old’s unauthorised absence from Sweyne Park School, an academy in Rayleigh, Essex.
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But after an unsuccessful appeal the unnamed couple were taken to court under the Education Act 1996, which allows education authorities to impose fines on parents who fail to send their children to school.
They were convicted in their absence and ordered to pay fines of £200 per parent plus costs and a victim’s surcharge.
The amount was left unpaid and court bailiffs arrived on the family’s doorstep threatening to remove items to settle the debt.
They were even threatened with prison if they refused to co-operate.
Essex County Council was accused of acting like the Stasi over the methods used to secure the sum, although a council spokesman said the decision to employ bailiffs was taken by the courts service.
The boy's grandmother, from Benfleet, Essex, paid the bailiffs in full to avoid goods being confiscated.
The grandmother, who asked not to be named, said: "My son rang me in a state of panic and I in turn rang the bailiff who informed me that if the eye-watering fine of £1,230 wasn't paid immediately they would force entry and remove goods to the value.
"These goods would then be auctioned and all charges would be added to the bill, making an estimated total of £3,500, while inability to pay would have automatically incurred a three month custodial sentence for both parents.”
She added: "He's a bright boy, my grandson, and he could easily hack five days off.
“I know it was wrong to take him out of school, but I thought the punishment was completely out of proportion - I thought it was a bit Stasi and Big Brother."
The couple took their son on holiday to Spain last year, pulling him out of the 1,300-pupil academy, which was rated “outstanding” by Ofsted, the schools inspectorate, in its most recent report in 2010.
In November they were convicted of failing to ensure their child regularly attended school under the Education Act 1996.
The family appealed unsuccessfully against the fine, and did not pay.
On March 6 bailiffs arrived at their home in Hullbridge, Essex, they were visited by bailiffs demanding the full sum.
The grandmother said the action to send in the bailiffs was "draconian".
"My grandson had never been in an aeroplane and [his mother] wanted him to have the experience,” she said.
"Part of the problem is the tourism industry, which deliberately hikes up prices during the summer holidays.
"It's quite a sober warning to other parents."
A spokesman for Essex County Council said: "Parents have a legal duty to ensure regular school attendance for their children who are registered at a school.
"Where there is concern for a child's attendance, schools will work with the family to address the cause of the absence.
"If this is not successful and the absences are not authorised by the school, the matter may be referred to the county council's Education Welfare Service (EWS) which will arrange a meeting between the school and family.
"If the situation does not improve the EWS will escalate the matter as appropriate, which may include issuing a penalty notice, prosecution or education supervision order.
"If a penalty notice is not paid within 28 days the EWS would proceed with prosecution.”
He added that changes to the legislation in September 2013 made clear that headteachers should only permit term time absences in “exceptional circumstances”.

A 'Victim surcharge' I fail to see whom the victim is... Kids should be left to grow up and have creativity, form intelligence. Apparently "daydreaming is a condition'... http://www.theguardian.com/society/shortcuts/2014/apr/15/sluggish-cognitive-tempo-new-disorder-rival-adhd you couldn't make this stuff up...

Swanny
11-04-15, 08:13 PM
They shouldn't have registered the birth of the child

Dabz
11-04-15, 08:44 PM
Rules is rules, they would have been very aware of the fine before they took him out of school. Don't agree with the rules/fines at all but they can't have been surprised by the consequences

Stuntsunlimited
11-04-15, 08:49 PM
Rules is rules, they would have been very aware of the fine before they took him out of school. Don't agree with the rules/fines at all but they can't have been surprised by the consequences

Come on Dabz, why should a school tell you when you can or can't take your kids on holiday. My parents took me off school for a week to go on holiday, was no issue back then, so why now? I tell my ten year old, be good at remembering and play the game... I ask her how 'kiddy prison' was when I see her... They're more like prisons.

Dabz
11-04-15, 09:29 PM
I agree with you mate - as I said, I don't agree with the rules about this at all, I think it's ridiculous. The odd week or 2 here and there missing school but gaining life experience and memories isn't going to make a blind bit of difference to school grades.

I was just saying the schools and councils make it very clear to parents what the fines are, so these people shouldn't have been surprised to be slammed with a fine.

Stuntsunlimited
11-04-15, 09:38 PM
My bad, misunderstood what you'd said... :) Yeah they make it clear, but on what grounds? We're supposed to live in a free society where we have choices... The f**kin worlds mental. They can worry about kids going to school, but not our elderly growing cold and hungry.

matthews677
13-04-15, 07:18 PM
So when the teachers go on strike and we lose a days pay to look after the child (who should have been at school!) can i fine them £120 and a days salary as well? I hate schools when it comes to this sort of thing. Yes its written down but surely common sense needs to be applied somewhere.
Would be interesting to know what the background of the child was in the news story. Wonder if they were regularly off of school or if this was a one off?

redken1
13-04-15, 07:31 PM
I make no apologies for politicising what is in essence a political issue. The then Government Education Secretary Michael Gove amended the legislation in September 2013 which previously gave Heads discretionary powers to grant 10 days for family holidays in ‘special circumstances’. As Stunts points out, Gove removed the reference to the 10-day limit from the regulations which meant that Heads could only authorise absence in term time under ‘exceptional circumstances’ which didn’t include family holidays. LA's were duty bound to enforce the tightening of the legislation, although I think there has been a relaxation of enforcement in response to the 200,000 signature petition opposing the regulation.

Not only are private schools (http://www.parentdish.co.uk/tag/private+school/) exempt from this legislation, but as their terms tend to be shorter than state school terms, it means that parents of privately educated children can often book cheaper holidays before state schools break up in peak holiday season. I wonder how many children of our parliamentarians attend private school and whether the percentage is representative of the country as a whole?

Like all sectors in our unregulated free market economy, holiday companies’ tariffs are priced at the maximum market forces will allow at any particular time of the season. We are all aware that demand is at its highest during the school summer break and that is when holidays are most expensive. Now you don’t need to be a socio political scholar to know which families will be hit the hardest by this ridiculous legislation.
What does a millionaire government minister know about the struggle facing a working family at the bottom of the income scale trying to budget every week, let alone afford a holiday? Heads should be given discretionary powers because they are best placed to make these decisions on an individual basis and based on a sound judgement. They know the pupil’s attendance record, level of application and family background. Of course the state has a duty to ensure that parents fulfil their obligation to send their offspring to school, but IMO this is way OTT.

Dabz
13-04-15, 08:36 PM
Am I right in thinking that they were talking about passing rules to stop the holiday companies raising prices in school holidays, or did I imagine it? (Wishful thinking?)

redken1
13-04-15, 08:52 PM
No James you didn't imagine it. There was a petition and plenty of talk, but the bottom line is that a lowering of prices would only happen if the holiday industry agreed to self regulate. I think we both know the answer to that one. Lol. To be fair some companies did lower prices during the school break to try and secure a bigger market share.

Stuntsunlimited
14-04-15, 08:45 AM
I make no apologies for politicising what is in essence a political issue. The then Government Education Secretary Michael Gove amended the legislation in September 2013 which previously gave Heads discretionary powers to grant 10 days for family holidays in ‘special circumstances’. As Stunts points out, Gove removed the reference to the 10-day limit from the regulations which meant that Heads could only authorise absence in term time under ‘exceptional circumstances’ which didn’t include family holidays. LA's were duty bound to enforce the tightening of the legislation, although I think there has been a relaxation of enforcement in response to the 200,000 signature petition opposing the regulation.

Not only are private schools (http://www.parentdish.co.uk/tag/private+school/) exempt from this legislation, but as their terms tend to be shorter than state school terms, it means that parents of privately educated children can often book cheaper holidays before state schools break up in peak holiday season. I wonder how many children of our parliamentarians attend private school and whether the percentage is representative of the country as a whole?

Like all sectors in our unregulated free market economy, holiday companies’ tariffs are priced at the maximum market forces will allow at any particular time of the season. We are all aware that demand is at its highest during the school summer break and that is when holidays are most expensive. Now you don’t need to be a socio political scholar to know which families will be hit the hardest by this ridiculous legislation.
What does a millionaire government minister know about the struggle facing a working family at the bottom of the income scale trying to budget every week, let alone afford a holiday? Heads should be given discretionary powers because they are best placed to make these decisions on an individual basis and based on a sound judgement. They know the pupil’s attendance record, level of application and family background. Of course the state has a duty to ensure that parents fulfil their obligation to send their offspring to school, but IMO this is way OTT.


Nice insight - boilled my p*** that little bit more.

Kevinb
14-04-15, 01:23 PM
So when the teachers go on strike and we lose a days pay to look after the child (who should have been at school!) can i fine them £120 and a days salary as well? I hate schools when it comes to this sort of thing. Yes its written down but surely common sense needs to be applied somewhere.
Would be interesting to know what the background of the child was in the news story. Wonder if they were regularly off of school or if this was a one off?

Very true and what about the number of teacher training days they 'Make' working people take off work or have to arrange child care?
You would think with the number of training days they take off they would be better at their jobs

redken1
14-04-15, 07:45 PM
I think it is important to identify the villain of the piece here and recognise that 71 per cent of teachers backed parents in opposing this unpopular regulation on term-time holiday fines.

On the separate issue of striking teachers, I believe that every individual in a fair and free democracy should have the right to withdraw their labour. I can fully understand why some parents would be frustrated/annoyed if the school their children attended closed due to industrial action. However, as with all unions, there are legal procedures which must be adhered to and parents are given ample prior warning of the strike date(s).

wiltshire builders
14-04-15, 09:09 PM
I agree that it's wrong for holiday companies to profiteer during school holidays but it p*sses me off when selfish parents take their kids on holiday and claim its for the child. RUBBISH!
Kids don't care where they are just as long as there's a beach/park/pool or other kids to play with.
The parents wanted to go to Spain so that's what they did.
I have no sympathy what-so-ever in that respect.
I travel a lot and every time I hear a small child crying on the plane I want to punch the parent in the face for subjecting the poor little sod to the excruciating pain of air travel so that they can get a sun tan.

DC
15-04-15, 11:17 AM
Come on Dabz, why should a school tell you when you can or can't take your kids on holiday. My parents took me off school for a week to go on holiday, was no issue back then, so why now? I tell my ten year old, be good at remembering and play the game... I ask her how 'kiddy prison' was when I see her... They're more like prisons.

My Daughter goes to Helston School where they have A Block,B Block and C Block and for those parents who decided to sign the paperwork and subject their children to this....thumbprint scanning to get your lunch . Does this sound like an educational establishment or something else ???

Stuntsunlimited
15-04-15, 01:53 PM
My Daughter goes to Helston School where they have A Block,B Block and C Block and for those parents who decided to sign the paperwork and subject their children to this....thumbprint scanning to get your lunch . Does this sound like an educational establishment or something else ???

Thumb print to get your lunch rang significant alarm bells when my partners lads school introduced it... Prison without walls, I used to think people were nuts when they used to speak to me about it. I used to think the system was there to benefit and look after us.

redken1
15-04-15, 04:24 PM
I agree that it's wrong for holiday companies to profiteer during school holidays but it p*sses me off when selfish parents take their kids on holiday and claim its for the child. RUBBISH!
Kids don't care where they are just as long as there's a beach/park/pool or other kids to play with.
The parents wanted to go to Spain so that's what they did.
I have no sympathy what-so-ever in that respect.
I travel a lot and every time I hear a small child crying on the plane I want to punch the parent in the face for subjecting the poor little sod to the excruciating pain of air travel so that they can get a sun tan.

Dan, do you not ask your kids where they would like to go on holiday, I thought all parents did?:p

wiltshire builders
15-04-15, 06:34 PM
Dan, do you not ask your kids where they would like to go on holiday, I thought all parents did?:p

I can't have kids Ken........they'd get I the way of my biking, surfing, snowboarding, mountain biking and traveling! Besides I'm far too selfish.
On a serious note it does annoy me when people who have made a conscious decision to have a family then moan about the effects it has on their lives.
Also when they don't control the Little darlings in public. Especially restaurants.

SonnyBoy
04-05-15, 05:02 AM
This isnt right at all! Its all about conditioning and control from a young age, so that it becomes the norm when they grow up.