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jack930
17-01-09, 04:24 PM
Hi me again with a prob lol

After the meet at the sally got home no prob,
when to go for a ride today and No GO ,the bike was kicking over but not firing up >:( ,
after trying a few things ie,choke on/off ,side stand up/dowm ,clutch.

Still nothing after a while flatend the batt ,so got a jump from a pal ho has a bike in the same garage ,

Only thing is i can only do so much as i dont have the know how or the tools to fault find,

>:( >:( >:( >:(

mikesouthby
17-01-09, 04:31 PM
Can't really help Jack, I don't have enough technical knowledge myself. Shame you couldn't of got out today though, it's been a great day for it. I was going to come over the Warminster myself today (a friend of mine works in Boreham Mill at 3TR FM) but turned around at Melksham.

Fingers crossed you can sort it out soon :)

jack930
17-01-09, 04:47 PM
yeh just gave a garage a call, itll cost me £40 just to look at it then £40 a hour,pluss i gota get it their my self ?

If any one can help that lives locally ::)

ONFIRE
17-01-09, 05:00 PM
I assume the solenoid... starter is turning over...


Might well be worth checking out side stand switch & rectifier If you only here a clicking noise then its possibly the rectifier or flattish battery8-)

jack930
17-01-09, 05:18 PM
[quote author=ONFIRE link=1232205841/0#3 date=1232208046]I assume the solenoid... starter is turning over...


Yeh the starter is turning over, just not firing up ,will have a try again tomorow with tthe stand ,and spray some wd40

ONFIRE
17-01-09, 05:24 PM
Well had same problem on a 929 Blade turned out to be the Rectifier... So end up replacing both Battery & Rectifier (rectifier about 60 - 70 notes depending on bike of course).

Hope all goes well for you. 8-)

Davey
17-01-09, 07:17 PM
Have you tried bump starting it? As I had similar on a gixer and if I got it bump started it didn't come back for a few weeks so never bothered fixing it. Also make sure the battery is charged 100% in the current climate this can have the engine spin but not enough to fire up.

Might be wortwhile checking your spark pugs too

Scotty
17-01-09, 07:21 PM
It might sound obvious but is there any fuel in it? Can you smell petrol from the exhaust when it was turning over? Does that model have a fuel pump?

Suggest - Remove the rider seat, unplug the ECU (black box) and reconnect it. On older bikes that sometimes works.

jack930
17-01-09, 07:22 PM
not tried bump starting ,

mikesouthby
17-01-09, 07:51 PM
Bump start in 2nd ;)

6T
17-01-09, 10:07 PM
is a little odd jack as you road home from sally ok, was there a strong smell of fuel when you were trying to start it would expect this if it were ignition related, as scotty suggested worth checking the contents of the fuel tank, if it looks low switch over to reserve tap, if your sure the fuel is getting through then remove a plug as davey suggested,if your able to do this just rest the plug on the cylinder head/stud bare metal to ensure good earth and give the starter a few short bursts to check for a spark,watch you dont get a belt from the plug or ht lead if you have your hand on it :obest of luck

jack930
17-01-09, 11:13 PM
Ok,Got fuel as the tank is full ,and got most of it all over me when lifting the tank to get to the spark plugs lol, tryed testing a ht leed,but getting to them is diff as i gota get round the air box ,doing it on my own is hard ,realy need second pair of hands ,or will just have to take it to the shop :(

alanTDM
18-01-09, 09:31 AM
You havent acidently knocked the kill switch (done it myself) cause some bikes the engine will turn over but not fire up!

ONFIRE
18-01-09, 11:32 AM
You havent acidently knocked the kill switch (done it myself) cause some bikes the engine will turn over but not fire up!

Bump :-/

jack930
18-01-09, 05:48 PM
Had RAC out today,still nothing ,looks like the shop for it, will have to ring round on monday :-[

mikesouthby
18-01-09, 05:50 PM
Sorry to hear that mate, hope it's nothing too costly and you can be back on the road soon.

ONFIRE
18-01-09, 06:34 PM
Had RAC out today,still nothing ,looks like the shop for it, will have to ring round on monday :-[

Give Bike Treads (Swindon) a call & ask for Gav (WB Member) I am sure he'll be of help.

crewy
18-01-09, 06:37 PM
I was gonna suggest engine kill switch too, is it in gear? some bike's wont fire if they are in gear!! As davey said try bump starting it first before you do anything, also check all the fuses in case one has blown.

Best of luck :)

jack930
18-01-09, 06:46 PM
Thanks for all the advice ,checkd all the usuall stuff, Got power to HT coils and fuel punp, but still think their is no spark ? couldnt see if the fuel pump was working as i had the fuel tank off, and no fuel to pump lol.

It will need someone that see's this sort of thing more often and know what they are doing,

Will try that No at Bike Treads see what they say ,

Just hope it dont cost alot,or the bike is staying at the garage till i can pay :'(

ONFIRE
18-01-09, 06:57 PM
Thanks for all the advice ,checkd all the usuall stuff, Got power to HT coils and fuel punp, but still think their is no spark ? couldnt see if the fuel pump was working as i had the fuel tank off, and no fuel to pump lol.

It will need someone that see's this sort of thing more often and know what they are doing,

Will try that No at Bike Treads see what they say ,

Just hope it dont cost alot,or the bike is staying at the garage till i can pay :'(

Well Gav is a good chappie and really knows his stuff...worth a punt. Good luck hope all goes well. 8-)

jack930
19-01-09, 01:57 PM
Right bike going in tomoz,roy vincent, hopfully he can work on it straight away,then i can make the sally on thurs :-?

bobf279
20-01-09, 12:02 AM
Which garage did you try? I recently had my bike in to Roy Vincents but only for tyres his prices seemed reasonable

oops didn't see your message above :-[

jack930
20-01-09, 12:29 AM
lol :D

mikesouthby
20-01-09, 01:53 AM
Fingers crossed Jack, hope to see on Thursday!

FJ_Biker
20-01-09, 10:47 AM
Let’s hope the repair bill is not to massive

jack930
20-01-09, 02:00 PM
Right ,had the call today ,and its got no spark to any plug ?

He said it could be anything and ask'd me how much am i willing to spend to get it fixed

Asking him wot he thought he just said WELL could cost anything from £100 to £500

so im stuck at the mo, i would of thought he might of had a better idea wy it was not getting a spark ,their aint that much to fault find on a bike ,,or is their ??

If anyone has any ideas ,would be great,,???? :'( :'( :'(

Any one got a 1995 zx6r so i can test the cdi ,, :(

Davey
20-01-09, 04:23 PM
try registering with www.mcnninjas.co.uk they might be able to help on there

jack930
20-01-09, 07:37 PM
yep with them allready

realy need to know wot is in the loop to create the spark,

as i dont realy want the shop to replace items and cost me a arm and leg,when i might be able to do it at half the cost :(

crewy
20-01-09, 09:28 PM
It could be the ignition timing, not sure if your model of bike had a distributer or a TDC pick up, they would be the first things to look at, then the HT leads and king lead, along with the ignition unit engine could also have lost it's earth.

jack930
20-01-09, 09:45 PM
Its got coils

6T
20-01-09, 09:59 PM
jack not to clued up on the modern bikes but iam sure its not a £500 problem :oprobably a loose conection or some wet got in the ignition system somewhere was raining when you road home try this link it may help http://www.kawasakimotorcycle.org/forum/mechanics-corner/40902-98-zx6r-wont-spark.html wrong link try this one ;D

jack930
20-01-09, 10:34 PM
Ok any one know about bike electrics , that could help and test lol

Ps thanks Thunderbird

crewy
20-01-09, 10:38 PM
Check the coil pack, like thunderbird said probably got affected by the rain

jack930
20-01-09, 10:40 PM
someone posted this on ninja forum

No spark to any plug rules out coils, leads, plugs.
As it turns over that rules out kill switch, clutch switch, sidestand switch.
That leaves ignition pickup (rh end of crank) CDI or wiring somewhere.
Check connectors to RH switches, ignition pickup, CDI and ignition switch
Check Oil pressure light and neutral light are on as they are fed off same fuse

All lights work ..

6T
20-01-09, 10:59 PM
based on the info you have posted i would look at the ignition pick ups i think they are refering to them as the igniters in the link i posted,do you have a manual for the bike jack if you dont have a multimeter just go through all the conectors and check they are nice and firm and free from corrosion also look for any splits or cracks in the wires insulation

jack930
21-01-09, 12:17 AM
no m8 :-[

jack930
21-01-09, 02:49 PM
Right, from the shop telling me i need a CDI unit and him telling me it would cost £100-150,

I have got it myself all for the sum of £40 :o

So if i need any other bits ,i think im gona do the work myself and get them at half the price he is giving me :-?

6T
21-01-09, 07:20 PM
lets hope its only the cdi then jack £40 sounds alot better than £500

jack930
21-01-09, 08:01 PM
Yup,if it works tomoz could be at the sally tomoz night :-? or is that wishfull thinking

mikesouthby
21-01-09, 08:07 PM
Fingers crossed!

jack930
23-01-09, 04:00 PM
Nothing is ever easy >:(

Got a CDI took it to shop to fit,and they say its the wrong bit i need ffs

its a fuse and chip box that i should of got ,,arguing the toss with him and saying thats wot he told me to get ,

so im at the point of re ordering this new item , :-/

crewy
25-01-09, 04:09 PM
Whats the latest with your bike Jack?

alanTDM
25-01-09, 05:35 PM
Check the Starter relay
is it like this http://www.te-motorcyclespares.co.uk/product.asp?productID=13418
its similar to the one on my bike and they rot inside as i found out !causes all sorts of problems as it powers the starter, from the block connector the cdi unit and few other things some parts work others dont

jack930
25-01-09, 06:01 PM
Cheers Alan will have a look at it when im back at the shop,,

At the mo im just waiting for the fuse box relay to come in the post :-?

alanTDM
25-01-09, 09:18 PM
If it is like that the wire + from battery goes into the inside of the relay and corrodes there might be a sign of blue powder around the + terminal,that wire connects to one side of the 30amp fuse which also connects to 2 spades the other side of the fuse then connects to the other 2 spade connectors .
im fairly sure the four spades connect the Cdi, R/R, Ign switch etc. but dont quote me on that! :)

The relay on my bike was corroded when i took it apart bits inside broke off so had to do a solder job to get bike going iv now ordered a new one.
Good luck !

jack930
26-01-09, 12:20 AM
Cheers :)

jack930
29-01-09, 12:01 PM
still not on the road ,waiting for bits :(

crewy
30-01-09, 07:23 AM
They must be being delivered by pigeon post, cus they seem to be taking a while!! ;D >:(

jack930
30-01-09, 04:48 PM
Yup, got them today :D

We have a spark,just waiting for the call to say its ok or not :-/

jack930
30-01-09, 06:02 PM
Whooooo thats me back on the road all working,ho's up for a ride tomoz :D :D :D

BB
30-01-09, 06:26 PM
That's good to hear Jack! [smiley=thumbsup.gif]

BB

Scotty
30-01-09, 07:21 PM
...ho's up for a ride tomoz :D :D :D
Wassup dude, you bringin' ho's along?? ;)

jack930
30-01-09, 07:56 PM
thought a nice trip to fowlers ??

Ryan
30-01-09, 07:58 PM
jack, consult the meeting forum :)

jack930
30-01-09, 08:00 PM
Have done ;)

6T
30-01-09, 09:48 PM
good hear your bikes finally soughted jack [smiley=thumbsup.gif]

alanTDM
30-01-09, 09:51 PM
Whooooo thats me back on the road all working,ho's up for a ride tomoz :D :D :D
What was the cause ?

jack930
30-01-09, 09:59 PM
was the fuse box/circuit bourd ,,,

all work done and bits £150

crewy
31-01-09, 10:07 PM
Glad to hear your back on the road :)